James Gunn was announced as Co-CEO of DC a few months ago to try and right the ship so to speak with the DC movies. Nerds everywhere rejoiced, feeling as though we were finally going to get the DC universe we deserved on the big screen.
Fast Forward a few months,3 and it feels like the house of DC is on fire. The biggest blow came with Henry Cavill being let go as Superman. To top that off Eza Miller's Flash movie is still set to release later this year. All of these things have left fans with more questions than answers and a feeling like James Gunn just might be crazy.
This week we weigh in on the state of DC moving forward and why we are not concerned in the slightest.
James Gunn was announced as Co-CEO of DC a few months ago to try and right the ship so to speak with the DC movies. Nerds everywhere rejoiced, feeling as though we were finally going to get the DC universe we deserved on the big screen.
Fast Forward a few months,3 and it feels like the house of DC is on fire. The biggest blow came with Henry Cavill being let go as Superman. To top that off Eza Miller's Flash movie is still set to release later this year. All of these things have left fans with more questions than answers and a feeling like James Gunn just might be crazy.
This week we weigh in on the state of DC moving forward and why we are not concerned in the slightest.
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Corey:What is up everybody and welcome to Dorkside Nexus. This is our first episode of 2023. I am super excited to be sitting here with my good buddies. I am
Brooksie:Cory. I am Brooksie.
Tanner:And I'm exhausted. No, my name is Tanner.
Corey:I feel that Yeah. Now that the holidays are over. It's kind of nice to have a moment to just sit in the room and yeah, decompress a little bit. Relax, talk about some nerdy stuff. And I have a very big question for you guys. And Brooks, you brought this up earlier? What's your favorite Girl Scout cookie? Samoas Tagalongs.
Brooksie:That's my second choice.
Corey:Samoas are the peanut butter ones
Brooksie:is the Samoas are the they're the very similar to the Pillsbury ones. They got coconut shavings, and then the caramel. And then it's got chocolate drizzled off the top and then the bottoms coated in it.
Corey:Those ones are good, like Tagalongs good ones. Oh, the peanut butter ones for a peanut butter cookie. Classic then. Yeah.
Tanner:I only like Thin Mints when they've been in the freezer. I will not eat them any other time.
Brooksie:Have you guys tried their newest one? No. They just came out with a smores
Tanner:I did. I was not a fan.
Brooksie:I love them.
Tanner:I like my thing when the Girl Scout cookies is they are not good cookies. They're just Mr. Logic as fuck.
Corey:Yeah, no, I read through an entire box of them.
Tanner:Yeah. I'm with Corey and I but like I think overall, like as a whole. Everyone has their favorites. But the rest suck. Anytime they introduce a new one. I'm always very disappointed in them.
Brooksie:Yeah, that's fair. I mean to each their own because some people have different tastes so make sense?
Tanner:Well, they have a very wrong tastes.
Corey:I do stand by Thin Mints do need to be frozen. That is 100% accurate. Yeah.
Brooksie:I'll have to try that.
Tanner:The only way I'll eat them. Ari loves them, but it's the only way that I will eat them.
Brooksie:And yeah, I'll have to try that. Then for frozen.
Corey:I just want to track down girl scout cookies. I know they have knockoffs. Usually on the shelves, the riverbed just down the road.
Brooksie:Well, Brattleboro market 32 Usually they'll have like the Samoas Tagalongs and then the lemon ones and store usually, if not this month, but next month when I would after I get out of work. When I was working at GS. I would go down there and then like all the end caps to each of the checkout aisles had Girl Scout cookies, and they'd be like cleaned out every Saturday. One guy had like a shopping cart half full. I'm like, Buddy What? All right, well, I guess we're having cookies for like the week.
Corey:Yeah, there's going to be a good while where I don't need anything but Girl Scout. Oh,
Tanner:I know somebody that spent $500 on Girl Scout Cookies last year.
Brooksie:Excuse me. Holy smokes. I got nothing to say other than a lot of money. He was a
Corey:Cookie Monster.
Brooksie:Come on, come on. Family
Corey:Cookie Monster Calls tell them I'm not speaking to him until he's out of rehab.
Brooksie:I just feel like Hi girl scout cookies headquarters. How many? How many boxes do you want? I did like Job $500 worth. All of them. All of them.
Tanner:Now I like Girl Scout cookies. Don't get me wrong. But they're only Okay.
Corey:I'll eat Girl Scout Cookies before I had a box of Oreos. I don't know why as I've gotten older Oreos just kind of fell off. I'm with him. I'm with him. Unless they're the winter white fudge Oreos.
Tanner:What in the fuck is wrong with you? There
Corey:is no better cookie than the white fudge covered or
Brooksie:no, the chocolate fudge covered Nutter Butters. Okay,
Corey:I was ready to argue and then I was like
Brooksie:for Nutter Butters. Hands down. I mean, I like Oreos, but Nutter Butters are still for the way and a lot wrong with me to answer your question.
Corey:Have you tried to Nutter Butter wafers? Yes. Welcome to snack side. Next is talking about cookies.
Brooksie:Where to change the subject. Hi, I'm Greg. Nice to meet you.
Tanner:Have you guys seen the guy on Tik Tok with the deep Weiss reviews X.
Brooksie:No, I don't know.
Tanner:Oh my god, I love him. He's like snap. He's got a whole segment called snacks we need to bring back. And it just goes through like all these nostalgic snacks from our childhood that we need to bring back.
Brooksie:You know, there's a lot of stuff that came out in like the late 90s, early 2000s that they should just bring back. Like for instance, like four years ago, they had the Crystal Pepsi. And then right after that Coca Cola was like, well, we might as well bring surge back. Why does it all these snack companies just rerelease all of like, the snacks that we grew up with? That's like, everyone our age would be like, oh, you know YOLO has came back or Skittles gum came back 3d Doritos 3d Doritos, the twisted Cheetos puffs for to just name a few all those items will be gone like in an instant. The same marketing big brain?
Tanner:i Yeah, but you know what? Last thing I want to talk about snacks. Oreos. It was Double Stuffed Oreos, right?
Corey:Double Stuffed. Yeah. Ff you Ed. Not what s t u f f ed. I don't know how to spell. It's awesome. Jared. I'm 19 and I never fucking learned how to read. Oh,
Tanner:so apparently, it's always been double stuff. Yeah, staff.
Corey:That feels like one of those. What's it called the Mandela Effect The Mandela Effect? Doppler effect,
Tanner:the Mandela Effect and Nelson Mandela Effect. That's different. Have you seen this builds into a theory though, where like a 14 year old is trying to prove that when CERN first started experimenting with the Large Hadron Collider that they actually destroyed our universe and moved us to the next closest universe. That's why there's all these mandala sniffs
Brooksie:seen. And I've read about it and I'm like, wow, multiverse theory is a possibility. So it does make sense and then there's some people are like, I can't comprehend. It's just like it's it. It's just relax. It's it's just multiverse theory. It's just the theory. Relax. It's fine. Yeah, I could destroy your previous universe. Probably.
Corey:I've seen enough Rick and Morty to know it's totally possible. We all just blew up. And now we're in an alternate you know, just
Brooksie:that previous universe is probably Cronenberg. I
Corey:don't know. Where did Elseworlds universe Cronenberg?
Brooksie:I mean, come on. You said Rick and Morty have gone with that one. Oh geez.
Tanner:I think this is a perfect time talking about universes to mention that
Corey:the Snyder verse
Tanner:Do you want to talk about something else?
Corey:I'm at 12% battery. I think we should get started all right, on the Snyder verse because
Tanner:well, the side of versus dead ladies and gentlemen.
Corey:Yeah, pretty much there's a couple of holdovers. But for the most part, I think we're living in an era of a brand new DCU
Brooksie:when what do you think kind of direction in your guys's opinion that James Gunn is going with the I'm gonna say gun averse, James God first.
Tanner:We don't call it the universe to DC Universe
Brooksie:that James Gunn has planned for.
Tanner:So I've heard a rumor that they want to go more with the Justice League universe that we grew up with, like the show and whatnot. Yeah, that's the kind of vibe that he's going for. Okay. And so if that's the case, I'm all for it, like young justice and then the Justice League. That's kind of the vibe he's going for.
Corey:The rumors I've heard have said that it's supposed to be like the Justice League Unlimited show. Yeah. If you're a fan of more than just Batman more than just Superman and more than just Wonder Woman. This is a time to be excited, because that's one of the best versions of the DC Universe. I think we've had
Brooksie:I own that. Both Well, technically it's Justice League and then Justice League Unlimited. I own the whole series on DVD. And it's great to rewatch so with this. With this transition. I'm definitely going to have to rewatch it again to see and compare notes for future projects that come out that James is going to release
Tanner:so I've when Justice League Unlimited was on I had never really met or knew of Martian Manhunter that show made me love Martian man. Yes, like that's the big thing. I'm excited for us to give us a real Martian Manhunter. Yeah,
Corey:That show was my first exposure to Green Arrow. And if you guys know me, I'm a huge green arrow fan.
Tanner:It was mine as well. The first like,
Corey:I think one or two episodes just launched into him being a leader, his relationship with Black Canary. There's also the question, Huntress, there's a bunch of characters that they do in that. And I can see what we've seen from James Gunn in his Marvel. Near is his time at Marvel is that in a world of Avengers and big players, he can take characters that are kind of obscure. He can take a Drax the Destroyer, a Peter Quill, a Rocket Raccoon, you can take a peacemaker, a vigilante, any of the other characters from the Suicide Squad and make them popular household names. Yeah, so I think he's gonna build it upon the frame of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, but we're going to start to see like a DCEU that actually branches out. Mm
Tanner:hmm. Yeah, definitely it. Really, what's nice because the Schneider verse, never could connect itself. Never could. It just they forced it and it never worked. And now they're trying to lay the groundwork to have that kind of Marvel formula. I do hope they they do it in a way that again, is slightly more adult than Marvel, like, slightly darker tones like they were trying to with the spider verse. I understand why it didn't work, though. That's just me. That's just my hope. But it seems like the internet is an uproar because Henry Cavill is now out as Superman.
Corey:And yes, that was one of the big announcements, like one of the first things they were talking about is that Henry Cavill, despite being back in the rock splack atom, which we'll get into that in a minute, the whole rock side of, of the DCU situation is Henry Cavill is out because supposedly James Gunn wants to tell a story about a younger Superman, Henry Cavill I don't know how old he is, he looks like a man. He does not look like he's in his 40s Oh my god, at
Tanner:least late, late 30s or early, early 40s.
Brooksie:And
Corey:everybody's up in arms about them getting rid of cavil and getting rid of some of the old guard. But when you stop and think about it, if you're gonna build an entire DC Universe from the ground up, and you want it to last, as God has said, they have plans pretty much all the way for like the next eight to 10 years. If you're gonna build a universe, you need to cast younger people to play these characters and I'm okay with it.
Tanner:I'm very I'm very, very okay with it. You can you have too late. We saw it with our DJ. He was older when he took the role of iron and it Yes, it really started his career. It really gave him a whole new career because of being Iron Man. But eventually he grew tired of it. He getting too old. I mean, Chris Evans grew tired of it, you have to start young. And unfortunately, you're starting to see it with Tom Holland, even though he wants to continue to display Spider Man, he's taking a break from it because he's put so much time into it. So you do have to start them young or you end up with the burnout.
Brooksie:Yeah, same goes for Chris. Chris Hemsworth as well. But he's 100%. Taking a break from acting for a while because of his physical health.
Tanner:Yeah. Cuz of his predispose or his higher chance of Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's. Yeah. Yeah. That he came out on.
Brooksie:It was late. It was late November, early December last year, that he found out that both of his parents are have a specific
Tanner:gene. Yeah, his genetics. He's predisposed to contracting Alzheimer's.
Brooksie:So it's like a double high rate for him. Yeah. So he's like, right now he's just taking a break spending time with his wife and kids.
Corey:Wow. I remember hearing he was taking a break that was officially announced, but I never actually heard the reasoning.
Tanner:Yes. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Well, he's fine now but he wants to be able to spend the time with his family while he can still remember them. Yeah. Because once
Brooksie:you get to a certain age, it's it's it's downhill.
Tanner:Well, real fast. Yeah. So the thing with Alzheimer's and dementia is by the time you've started showing symptoms, you've had it for a while like it's like it's been there. The symptoms are the late stages. Yep.
Brooksie:Yep, it's it's one of the most depressing things you can experience as like a loved one. So
Tanner:put me in a home just put me in a home and forget about me because I'm gonna forget about you if I if I come down with it. If I start coming down with symptoms put me in a home leave me there. I will forget about you. Just let me go. That's my take on it.
Corey:Eat me into the Grand Canyon or something honestly, because If I can't, if I don't remember my own past, I'm like the Joker and my history is multiple choice. I don't I don't want that.
Tanner:Funny. It's not even a multiple choice it's you just forget just gone.
Brooksie:You remember you you haven't played Halo four but basically it's like Cortana pretty much breaks it down that rampid C and Alzheimer's is one of the same. Like basically you just you think yourself to death in a sense I rampid Yeah, so, but for a human to experience and basically it's like your brains neurons like slowly lose connection. And that's pretty much how your memory is created. And the disease itself attacks those those connections and just eventually that starts separating.
Tanner:Alright guys, we're here to have fun this is good this this is fucking depressing. All right, let's let's get back to Henry Cavill and recasting Chris is so depressing. What do you guys out there think? I think this is sad.
Brooksie:With with back to DC Did you watch black Adam Did either of you watch black Adam?
Tanner:I did not. I had no interest in it. Okay, and I also don't think I don't enjoy watching the rock in movies. So okay.
Corey:Yeah, I think I watched the first 20 minutes and it felt like darker Shazam. Yes.
Brooksie:Yes, it did feel like a much darker Shazam. I will say that. Everyone, like specifically I loved Pierce Brosnan playing his Doctor Fate in that movie. He did a really good doctor fade.
Tanner:Bronson Bronson Brosnan.
Corey:Prometheus I am Groot. What our generations
Brooksie:James Bond
Corey:Oh Daniel. Craig.
Tanner:Yes Daniel Craig
Corey:No, I know what you mean i What was it the world is not enough one where the car gets sawed in half
Tanner:brick see your stuff stuck here when you're gonna go back in your cage underneath my bed in after we're done recording
Brooksie:throw me in the cage. What What am I Lucifer from Supernatural
Corey:pit of despair. Don't even so don't even think about escape. Not to 50
Brooksie:so, so with with the last cutscene of Henry Cavill meeting, Blackout um, it does kind of set up the opportunity that key will Henry Cavill will portray his role as Superman in the future. But it seems like again with what Cory said they need to kind of restart have a whole new fresh slate for a DC Universe. And you said they're doing a younger Superman is that what you
Corey:said? That's the rumor why they switched Henry Cavill out of the role was because they wanted to tell the story about a younger Superman prompt I don't think like Smallville young just becoming Superman but
Tanner:just arrives in Metropolis.
Corey:Superman Yeah. Forward just kind of getting his feet wet. Kind of learning. So
Brooksie:so probably like, right like right after Smallville starting his job at the Daily Planet kind of thing. Okay,
Corey:that's the rumor rumor also has that the James Gunn is going to either or both right and direct that film, which I don't know if you guys have seen brightburn I've only heard things about
Brooksie:this I've seen like the like a YouTube channel called Story recapped and it goes over like basically like real quick movies and I quote unquote watched it through story recapped and it's you know, it's kind of like one of those like, what if Superman like showed up and was just already evil? Like it's it's it's a good take on like, a pure evil different Superman.
Tanner:This brings me to a question though. You might know it better Cory Who do we have any like real like which hero got started first whether it was Batman, Superman The Flash or anything like that in any of the established media?
Corey:Well, in terms of comics, I'm pretty sure Superman was like the big one Action Comics number.
Tanner:I can tell I'm yeah,
Corey:I'm not that kind of nerd. But Superman is like the big one but I met
Tanner:like in the universe which hero existed first?
Corey:Depends on the universe, I want to say cuz I mean, you can go all the way back there. A lot of times they have like Flash we have the Barry Allen that we know That's the modern flash when they did a Reek retcon in the comics, they made it so that Jay Garrick who was the original original Flash was like the hero back in the 50s and the Golden Age. So there's it all depends on the interpretation who's writing the story first.
Tanner:Okay, another question for you before we keep on this topic who's your favorite flash, Barry, Gary and Carrie Garrett or Wally?
Brooksie:Oh,
Corey:personally, so I never cared about the Flash before the grant Gustin show on CW never cared for the flash that show that portrayal of the character made me love the character of Barry Allen he's portrayed differently in different versions The Animated Series is Wally West, and I liked that version but I like Barry
Tanner:that's the version I think of when I think of the flashes Wally that's just me because Justice League Unlimited, that was really my first exposure into the flash. So i i I'm Wally. For that reason, I think it's nostalgia to for the most part because they portrayed him in kind of that SpiderMan quibi kind of way, which I liked a lot. And I think that's my favorite version. What about you?
Brooksie:It's difficult to say for me because I like both of them. I like the Justice League Unlimited. Wally worries he's very like very you know, he's he's, he is maturity is very young. Like he's not quite like focused on doing like, how do I say this? He's a hero, but he's very much like spider man. Like he makes like quick
Tanner:cribs Yeah, cribs.
Brooksie:Thank you. And you know, he's he does the mission but he's always just like, making like quick snarky comments versus Wally in my favorite portrayal is probably the Flashpoint movie, where he goes to that alternate worlds where, like, Thomas Wayne being Batman. There's Reverse Flash. Oh, this was a plane.
Tanner:This was the animated movie. Right? Were really good one. I haven't seen this, but I've seen clips of it. And
Brooksie:it's really good. I love that one. Because it we we see a flash who's like really dedicated to he went through a horrible experience with his mom. And then like right after that he got ah, was it like struck by lightning? So he was he has the speed force within his body. Is that correct?
Corey:I'm pretty sure. Yeah, it's been a long time since I've seen the movie. And that's another thing with flashes. Because of all the different timelines and all the different stories. It's hard for me to keep track of which version is which because I know there's one version where when Barry Allen dies, he goes back and becomes the very bolt of lightning that gave him his powers. Yeah. Which isn't like it's super interesting concept. But
Brooksie:I just I it's it's hard for me to pick between those two, Wally arbury.
Corey:If you've ever seen young justice, which has also been rumored that this universe is going to be based on they do a version of Wally West. I believe he's voiced by Jason Marston and amazing version of that character that's trying to live up to the Barry Allen character.
Brooksie:Yep, yep. I I've watched Young Justice, so I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, he's tragic. That character. Yeah, it's it's after watching. Halfway through the series, I'm just like, oh, goodness, like in trying to take on that mantle. It's hard.
Tanner:So the this talk and conversation about the flash leads into another thing going on with DC is we know that the big three are out. We know that Ben Affleck gal, Godot and Henry Cavill are out under the new structure. But I don't fucking understand this. They're keeping Ezra Miller in releasing his movie. And is Amber Heard still in Aquaman?
Corey:I heard that she has been removed that the fan petitions worked and that she's been removed from the film and they're putting somebody else completely in that in that role.
Brooksie:Honestly, just ask Emilia Clarke.
Tanner:That's, that's everyone's fancast like everyone
Brooksie:just wants her. Because her and Jason works so well with Game of Thrones.
Corey:Yeah, but the whole time I'm going to be thinking about their sex scene from Game of Thrones, that they're together and be like, hey maybe that's just me. I don't know.
Tanner:Maybe that's why they're not doing it.
Corey:Good me. I mean, put it Emilia Clarke in everything she's going to be in Secret Invasion the Marvel show this year I'm yeah, yes. Please give me more Kira from solo. Yeah, I'll take it. But but you do bring up a good point with the whole Ezra Miller situation going on right now because I've seen a lot of people that are getting upset that like, well, they're getting rid of Henry Cavill and they're getting rid of Affleck and Godot. And that I can understand from the position of James Gunn deciding that's not the story they wanted to tell. Apparently, they brought Cavill back because the rock and his star power and there's a whole thing about him trying to gain power,
Tanner:basically trying to cook the box office by bringing Henry in.
Corey:Yeah, he Well, basically behind the scenes, he wanted to take control of the DC Universe, he saw that they were kind of Rocky and that they were trying to put somebody in position. So he goes on the rock. How about we make black Adam the center of the DC Universe, bring back bring back Superman. And they went well, the only Superman right now really is Henry Cavill. And he's like, I don't care. Bring him back. And they're like, We don't have plans for him right now. That's a whole thing. And rock wet. Do what I want you to do on the rock, please. And thank you, goodbye. And they did it.
Tanner:That's again, a whole nother situation. And it brings up the point of I don't really like the rock as an actor plays it. He's very much the rock and everything. Everything that he does is the rock. It's not. He didn't play black Adam, the black Adam played the rock, essentially, is the is. And he plays the same character. I feel in every movie in Korea, you and I had this discussion. What's the difference between him and Ryan Reynolds. And my take on this is Ryan Reynolds has a greater range of emotion that he can portray in a character. So it works. It is the same but it never feels the same. And I think part of the reason why he is the same character is because he took a bunch of like action roles after Deadpool. We had what six underground, which I liked. It was fun, but it was basically a Deadpool movie about where he's just the beats again. And they have a bunch of action scenes. That's I heard
Corey:it was good. And then we got Hitman's bodyguard, we got the Adam project, we got all the different stuff the Reynolds has been in free guy. Read notice read notice with Dwayne Johnson rock.
Tanner:Yep. So, again, my take is very much he portrays a greater range of motion now free guy again, yes, it's an action movie. And you can tell it's a Ryan Reynolds role, but that's doesn't he had a different portrayal than six underground and Deadpool. So it kind of worked for me. And I also go back to one movie from his past. That highlights how good of an actor Ryan Reynolds actually is the proposal? Yeah. Oh, okay. I told you that
Corey:it's a good movie. It's a good Sandy Bullock movie. It's a good Betty White movie.
Tanner:I love that movie. And why I think that does such a good job portraying his range is because yes, it's a romantic comedy. And that genre is in of itself, just not my thing. But it's a great one. Because there's, he has emotions that he has to portray, he's got to deal with his shitty boss, who he's slowly starting to fall in love with. He's got to have those moments of comedy, but then he also has to have the conflict with his father. And there's enough there's so much range in that he betrays in that movie, that it shows why. For me, the rock is boring.
Corey:Yeah. I think it comes down to I think in a lot of a lot of places when it comes to Ryan Reynolds getting cast is this character is a certain way I think Ryan Reynolds would be the best person to play that character because of who he is. I think with the rock, they go, Hey, we got the rock in our movie. We're gonna ride around the rock being the rock. And it just becomes here's the big guy who's you know, slightly more likable than it comes off at first. And then by the end, he has to be the hero in some way or another because he's the rock and he's not going to sign up for a project where he's straight up a villain. And it's just, I think, I think Reynolds does it better like you're saying yeah,
Tanner:I mean, it's sure I think he does it a lot better. But yeah, black Adam in itself. It's a whole problem that is kind of sitting very poorly with a lot of the fans. Because it the movie was only okay. And it's coming out that the rock was kind of a prick about the entire project. I mean, black Adam exists as a foil to Shazam. And he refused to be in the shazam stuff.
Corey:So it
Tanner:With him trying to get him trying to bring the star power of Henry Cavill in it just you could tell it's a cash grab
Corey:for him 100% Yeah.
Tanner:And with all these recast things going on, it brings up another point. Who the fuck is going to play Bruce Wayne?
Corey:I think there are a ton of people. And at the end of the day, in my opinion, I think it comes down to what does James Gunn want for the character. How is the character written? What are they going to go with? Are they going to go for more? You know, they already have a Batman. And I'm not saying that I want them to build this entire DCEU off of Pattinson and Matt Reeves the Batman, but you already have your Batman right there why retell another version of the his parents died. He's afraid of bats. He fights people. He's not afraid of bats anymore. He fights a clown. Like, give us I mean,
Tanner:or Brooksie. Do you agree with me when I say this? That honestly, that movie? could very much be what Iron Man was? If that makes sense. It is his origin. Yep. And it take that premise like those villains existing all of that stuff. And you can now say, Okay, this is him two years into his journey. We're seeing that really young Batman still figuring it out. And this is how he gets started. I'm agreeing with you, Corey, that just push him into that role. He's portrayed the intelligence of Bruce Wayne, that we have been looking for on screen, if that makes sense. Would you wouldn't? Wouldn't you think for Christ's sake.
Brooksie:I think Benson's version of Batman was a good way for introducing Bruce Wayne and the Caped Crusader. We only have seen one villain so far. And of course, at the end if if you've watched it, we've you know, we know Joker's you know, we know he's in that universe. So at some point they're going to utilize the Joker in the in the series. But honestly, yeah, push him into that role. He's right there. Just all you have to do is use the opportunity to put him in a Justice League Unlimited based Universe.
Tanner:I think the way I look at this is we very much should be we've seen the development of Batman numerous times we've seen him grow in Bruce Wayne grow into Batman, we should actually be taking it and saying no, we need to see Bruce Wayne develop into Bruce Wayne billionaire, like the outgoing one, like the story should be he knows how to be Batman, because he's so dark and reclusive. And he already has that mind and intellect for investigating. Why don't we show the story of him growing into being the Bruce Wayne that is funding the justice that is out in the open and all of that stuff. That's the story that I think would be cool. And that'd be the best spin on it that we could have moving forward.
Brooksie:I think what they could do potentially is have his own like Batson, we have the second movie, and then we have a third movie after that. Whereas the second movie they introduced, I know, Mr. Freeze, for example, it's been two years post the flood. And then the last movies, how many months or years pass the second movie, and then they introduce the Joker. And then at the end of that third movie, they introduce, you know, he's like, I think I should start I can't do that i can't i can only protect Gotham, I can't protect the world. And then Alfred pulls up like a computer screen is like, we know about Clark Kent. We know about Diana Prince, and we know about Barry Allen and then boom, you got all those those three characters write that in there. And then he's starts you know, saying, well, it looks like I gotta start funding and I gotta start building a team.
Tanner:I think you could do it that way. I would like them to have more run ins with each other like, like kind of like the end credits scenes the mid credit scenes that Marvel does where you know, you put those breadcrumbs into it. Just like a simple like he has to go to Metropolis at the end of a movie for some because now he's taking over Wayne Enterprises and thing, being more involved with it and he has to go there for some stupid fucking conference or something. And there's a Clark Kent's there as a reporter, you know, just like those tiny little breadcrumbs to be like, Oh, it's coming. It's happening. Like we're gonna get it. And that's the way you do it. And I love that. Is it young justice or it was one of the animated shows where the way Batman figures out that Superman is Clark Kent is because he's reading the supersonic flight patterns of Superman that's
Brooksie:the Batman. That shows really good that would be I they in eventually they focus more on Batman. But as the show progresses he gets he gets Robin. He gets back girl he gets back girl first, which I thought was a wicked twist. Right? So that makes sense. Honestly, if James Gunn were to do something like that, and then introduced the Justice League way down the road, that would be perfect. Because the Batman The I loved that series, I thought it was a great take. And for those who are like, I think when did it come out? Like when we were in like,
Corey:those those like the same time as spectacular Spider Man, so that was like, early 2000s.
Brooksie:Yeah, so the if, again, they should just do it based on that. Have Batman be the focus, kind of like with Tony Stark Iron Man, and then just use Pattinson and just build around him. That's that's just me. Around works there.
Corey:So my worry about doing it like that is that as a studio, that means that they're only doing Batman movies for however long it takes for him to build up, you got the bat family, then they start introducing these other characters. And it worries me because the Dark Knight was very gritty and grounded. That whole series. Yeah. And it'd be very hard in that universe to imagine that there's a Superman running around that there's Green Lanterns and stuff like that. The Snyder verse does a good job of being like, yeah, this Batman can hang this there was a Superman first, then they introduced that this Batman has existed the whole time. My worry is that Matt Reeves Batman is so realistic, that when you start introducing, like, superhero elements of like, there's a Wonderwoman made of clay. And there's a Superman from a whole nother planet that it starts to do like in the Arrowverse arrow started off very gritty, very realistic, very like this all could happen. And then they start introducing the flash and magic and all of that stuff. And by the time you get to like season five or six of Arrow, there's so much happening in the rest of that universe, that you don't you don't believe the stakes of all of her Queen fighting like regular people anymore. Because there's so much you could call Barry Allen in any situation and be like, hey, fast guy, can you come grab this dude, and throw him in jail? So that he doesn't like murder half my team or all that. So it I can see them recasting the Batman roll to make it fit into this bigger universe that they're playing. Okay, that's fair. But I also really liked Matt Reeves and Baton since so I want that to be the case. My worry is, as a studio, how do you go? We need to make money off of this entire DC Universe. But we're just going to do a couple Batman films to start it.
Tanner:So that brings up another question I have is it's part of the reason why the Flash movie is still on the docket because something at the end of it. Barry fucks everything up with the timelines again, and it changes the universe.
Brooksie:That definitely is a good possibility.
Tanner:i That's just my take. And that's how you smash this all together.
Brooksie:Yeah, that's definitely like a good way to kind of put closure on the Schneider verse.
Corey:That's exactly it. I feel like the Flash movie is kind of their chance at this point to be like, Okay, this Schneider versus done, it's wrapped up, it still exists somewhere in the multiverse. But we're not going to touch it. Yeah, a long time. And then maybe 20 years from now, if Ben Affleck and whoever is still willing to do it, and they've built the groundwork to do a story of like, Okay, now we're going to bring in everybody we're going to do like Secret Wars. We're going to have the Hugh Jackman of DC we're going to have the Tobey Maguire of DC come in. And we're going to tell like a big multiversal story. My hope is that at the end of the Flash movie, I think the best thing they could do. Something happens and you see flash come out and he's wearing like a mask. You don't see Ezra Miller's face and it's just a flash. Then you go into James Gunn universe, then you go hey, it's still this same Berry. What a different actor can play him they can do a different version of the the one holdover from the Snyder verse because that's a flash thing. That's a very flash thing to be the only person in a new universe that remembers the old universe and let it kind of bleed but now he just has to play in whatever James Gunn averse happens.
Tanner:Yeah, it it's it's going to be interesting to see at the very least, um, I just don't know where they're gonna go. And it does at times feel like with the DCS on fire like it and I understand why some of the fans are upset because Henry Cavill was so beloved. And he's kind of been thrown around a lot recently leaving the Witcher coming back as Superman not coming back as Superman now going to get a Warhammer series with Amazon. He's all over the place. So I understand why fans are skeptical of what James Gunn is doing because oh my god, he's getting rid of such beloved actors and whatnot. He's trying to build the universe. And as much as DC feels like it's on fire. Sometimes you have, it's like a phoenix rising from its ashes. And that's kind of what I feel like he's going for.
Corey:Yeah, no, you have to burn down the old universe to be able to build a new one up and it's going to suck because there's characters that we really liked. Peacemaker. I love to Peacemaker who knows if that character is going to carry over from technically, it's in the Snyder verse, it is 100% Margot Robbie was in the Suicide Squad. She's in the Batman The Ben Affleck universe. There's all these different ties. Jason Momoa and Ezra Miller both show up at the end of the peacemaker spoiler at the end of the peacemaker show in the Snyder verse, And now James Gunn is in charge does he go we're going to keep this in the universe or we're going to separate this. Where does the line get drawn?
Tanner:Again, I think it comes down to the Flash movie. I really do. I think that's the the destroying of the Snyder verse to make the new DTU by DC is not on fire, guys, it feels like it but it's not.
Corey:I don't think it's on fire. I think it's just, I mean, we were just talking about how it needs to be on fire for it to be reborn from the ashes, but
Tanner:it's not. It's a controlled burn. Yeah, it's a controlled burn. Exactly. Exactly.
Corey:And people are worried about the whole Ezra Miller thing because you know, he's been in the news for a lot lately. And they're saying James Gunn, why aren't you getting rid of him? Apparently, execs are in talks of wanting to keep him after the Flash movie, because rumor has it. I'm not saying this. Rumors are saying this. The Flash movie is supposed to be as good as the Dark Knight in a very different way. But as good. So I feel like you know as rymill It's different than Henry Cavill. They didn't have a plan for him. Ezra Miller needs to be kind of punished and not allowed to be a big tentpole actor in these movies, because of the things that he has done that they have done in the past. Sorry. And I'm just curious to see how that whole situation resolves itself.
Tanner:I'm curious to see how DC as a whole resolves itself.
Brooksie:I'm going to keep an open mind it for this flash movie. I'm going to watch it I'm going to go in just open minded and I'm going to hope to hope that it's just as good as the dark night. It may not be. It may not be so I guess we'll see when it comes out.
Tanner:Well, we can only hope we have to wait and see with DC at this point. There is nothing that we don't have any information. We have nothing. Yeah. And really thinking about it. The James Gunn, hiring is still very new. They're still working on things. So let's let them burn it to the ground and rebuild it. Yeah,
Corey:rumor has it we're gonna start we're gonna see like the first third of the slate sometime this month that James Gunn is going to start announcing what's coming up in the MC MC you have the DC you because we still have four DC films coming out
Tanner:this year. Shazam is one of them because Zam
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Corey:Flash and Aquaman two.
Tanner:Yeah, and Aquaman twos at the end of the year. Yeah.
Corey:So supposedly, those are going to be the the end of it. Jason Momoa is now in talks to play Lobo in the new DCU. So, how weird is that going to be seeing the same actor in a different universe? Playing somebody else? It's weird.
Brooksie:I don't know if it'll be interesting to say.
Tanner:We just saw it though. In Star Wars. I mean, we it like we didn't see it. See it because Snoke and yeah, now it's different. But you had a character come back. You can make it work.
Corey:It happens. But last thing on DC. The Penguin show. We were talking about this last night the Colin Farrell tied to the Matt Reeves. The Robert Pattinson universe. They're doing a whole show about the penguin.
Tanner:I don't care. Yeah.
Brooksie:I saw what you were talking about, like the announcement. I don't really see myself watching it.
Corey:I liked Colin Farrell in that movie. But yeah,
Brooksie:I agree. He did a great job laying as Oswald
Corey:but I don't think it can hold an entire show unless they really get into the nitty gritty of like, the villains of this you universe. So by the time the Batman two comes out, you can sit there and go, Oh, okay, I already know these characters and this version of them. So now let's have Batman kick the crap out of him. That's pretty much it. Gotcha.
Tanner:So wait and see with DC guys, we don't know what's going to happen. We just don't know. You now, Cory, I don't know.
Corey:I don't think anybody knows what's going on right now besides Peter saffron and James Gunn, and we'll see what they have to say. But right now, this is an unprecedented time. I mean, I remember I want to say maybe Comic Con 2015. San Diego Comic Con, they DC was at Hall H, and they were going, we're gonna do a Flash movie. Aquaman we're gonna build an entire universe. And here we are, you know, almost eight years later, and it's in shambles. So best of luck to James, you got your work cut out for you. I'll I'm here for it. I'll see what they do.
Brooksie:Yeah, I guess I guess time will tell and what he has in mind and what kind of idea of a Justice League Unlimited based Universe because he's going to have to, he's going to pretty much start from the ground up. And that's that's a lot of work. A lot of work.
Tanner:But it can be done.
Brooksie:It can be done. I'm not saying it can all I'm just saying it's it's going to take a while before. I think we get to really see what is big Justice League, who he has planned, that kind of thing.
Tanner:I agree. I agree. Well, thanks for joining us this week, guys. We've got a whole lot of new content coming out and we hope you enjoy it this year. As always, my name is Tanner.
Corey:My name is Cory.
Brooksie:And I'm bruxy
Corey:and we will see you in the Nexus stay hydrated everyone