It's finally here the moment we have all been waiting for Kenobi season finale dropped, and all we can say is damn... That was amazing!
This week Brooksy dawns his new persona as he sits down with Corey and Tanner to discuss the episodes 5 and 6 of Kenobi. Spoilers are every where so if you haven't caught up yet turn back.
Spoiler alert, so if you keep reading without seeing the last two episodes it's on you>
We discuss everything from The flashbacks of Episode 5 all the way to the rematch of the century between Obi-wan and Darth Vader, The Return of a fan Favorite Jedi master all the way to the Emperor himself making an appearance. We have quite a few laughs along the way. So if that interests you this week join us here in the Nexus.
It's finally here the moment we have all been waiting for Kenobi season finale dropped, and all we can say is damn... That was amazing!
This week Brooksy dawns his new persona as he sits down with Corey and Tanner to discuss the episodes 5 and 6 of Kenobi. Spoilers are every where so if you haven't caught up yet turn back.
Spoiler alert, so if you keep reading without seeing the last two episodes it's on you>
We discuss everything from The flashbacks of Episode 5 all the way to the rematch of the century between Obi-wan and Darth Vader, The Return of a fan Favorite Jedi master all the way to the Emperor himself making an appearance. We have quite a few laughs along the way. So if that interests you this week join us here in the Nexus.
Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Dorkside nexus. My name is Cory, my name is Tanner. And let's go for Papa Palpatine. I love that every time.
Tanner:Yes, this is Brooks's new intro to every episode. If there's an episode without it, please feel free to comment back and say proxy didn't do it.
Brooksie:I will correct myself and make sure that it's good if I pop up Aventine time, every time.
Tanner:Well, well, guys, we just got done watching the finale of Kenobi. And we didn't get to talk about Episode Five last week.
Brooksie:No, no, we didn't. We have not. Before
Tanner:we start talking about Episode Five. As a whole, how do you feel about the series?
Corey:Before we jump into Star Wars real quick, I just want to direct people to your last episode that was posted about toxic the fandom. Amazing episode. I really liked that. And I would highly recommend if you haven't listened to it yet, go back and listen to that episode and then come back to this one. Just real quick. I really liked your points and your and your take on that.
Tanner:And it's only about 22 minutes of your time versus our usual hour of your time. So if you're looking for a shorter episode, go check that out, guys.
Brooksie:Boom. I do like how, in that short episode you did mention. Then the show that's coming out on Amazon Prime Lord of the Rings Rings of Power, as it even been out released yet and it already has been bashed.
Tanner:Yeah, it was it. Yeah, I had to bring that up because we and we're going to talk about it in this episode of the podcast. Stop making assumptions on shit before the whole story is out.
Corey:Yes, yeah,
Brooksie:I agree. Yes. You're you are not the director. You have also no right to harass these actors and actresses to the point where they're shutting down their accounts on social media, or they're just going into hiding because of just the harassment. Stop it. Get some help.
Corey:I being a bully ain't cool.
Tanner:Also, I'll admit I don't like the sequel trilogy. I don't care if you love the sequel trilogy. Like, I don't care. I don't care. It's just like, cool. You like Star Wars? I love that.
Corey:It's not for everyone. Like what you like talk about that? If you don't like something, leave it alone. I mean, to a degree that has fans, we can talk about stuff that you know that that that doesn't sit well with us in the sake of having a conversation.
Tanner:Yeah, I mean, might that's just it. Let's have a conversation. Why do we have to attack each other because we like different things from the fandom.
Brooksie:everyone's opinion is different. That's fine. I don't like I don't like certain things of the sequel trilogy. And let alone Disney's take. One thing I do like that Disney has done. And you mentioned in your episode was the bleeding of crystals. Originally, it was synthetic. Now they have to bleed the crystals. That's a cool concept. I liked that.
Tanner:One last point before we dive into what we're here to talk about Kenobi episodes five and six. You can dislike some of the things Disney has done. But you have to admit this one thing Disney has done Darth Vader, right? Yes. Yeah,
Brooksie:I agree. I mean,
Tanner:everything from the comics since they bought out Marvel and had the star the Darth Vader comics to Rogue One to what we've seen in Kenobi they have done him right even in fallen order. He is fucking terrifying. He comes on screen and you're just like, oh shit, you feel the darkness emanating out of him just through your screen?
Brooksie:Yeah, I agree. That is a Sith Lord that is number two and incites fear to everyone in the galaxy. Even if they are like a stormtrooper or an Imperial officer. They're still scared of him no matter what.
Tanner:He's actually yeah, the fear he instills is also like for the stormtroopers that they also respect the EverLiving shit out of him because in the novel Lord of Lords of the Sith, he's hailed by the he's like the Stormtrooper corps or whatever they call the in that novel like he's, like, do like a hero to them, because he in the comics and in the novels, excuse me, gets down into the gutter with these guys and fights with them.
Corey:He leads from the front not for him in the trenches, like a lot of Imperial officers, they'll just sit there and they'll be like, you go there you go there. They're not going to actually be upfront in the battle. Yeah, leader leads by example.
Brooksie:Yeah, exactly. And much too, as much as there's a lot of differences between Vader and Anakin alone. One thing that they do share is he leads in front when he was leading the FIFO first and the, as a general of the Republic, he was in the front. Same thing as Darth Vader, with the Imperials. So it's just it's incredible what they've done with this story.
Corey:If I have one complaint about cannon Vader, it would be that it seems like a lot of people seem to escape from him Jedi, but that also goes to Anakin you know, cockiness and hubris and he's not. He's not as perfect as he thinks. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the amount of people that he hasn't killed is up, I mean, Ezra Bridger Cal Casitas, Ahsoka Tano, I mean, they all escaped because of, say the force intervening or something happening,
Tanner:right. Okay. So again, for some reason, we keep pushing off me to the episode, but I have to say this, the dark side is a perversion of the living force. It really is. And all these people being saved by like you said the force. That's because that's what the force wills that's what the living force themes needs to happen. And all these people escaping Vader, it shows that the dark side and his ambition are and the Siths ambition is a perversion of what the will of the force is.
Corey:It's kind of like a rubber band. If you pull it too hard, it's going to snap back at some point. I mean, if you start perverting the dark side, you know the force polluting it with the dark energies, the lights can go hey, is very much a sequel thing. The dark side had been ruling for a long time the light rises to meet it.
Tanner:Well, that and also, that's not even just a sequel thing that's happened even now in the old in now legends the Plagueis novel, they they Plagueis in Palpatine. Together did a force ritual to turn the the balance of the force towards the dark side. And in that moment, the force rebelled and Anakin was conceived. Yes, yep. To bring balance to bring balance. So we've been that's always something the Sith are up against.
Corey:Which is a nice segue into episode five of Kenobi, which just talking about the really big points. I'm gonna go right for the throat on this one. Hayden Christensen. Ewan McGregor doing a flashback scene? Oh, of course. We are. We are 20 years in the past now. I mean, for us real life.
Tanner:Yeah, we're Yeah, we're about 15. Actually, yeah. 1315 years was the 20th anniversary of attack of the club. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. So
Corey:we're like, that's fantastic. I enjoyed seeing Hayden again. I enjoyed seeing you in look. Did they? Do you think they did some DEA agent? I
Tanner:don't think? I don't think they did.
Brooksie:I don't think it was any DIEDRING on both their parts. They added extensions
Tanner:to even. Yeah, yeah, that's about that's about it. They gave them little tiny extension. So his hair looks more in line with his Attack of the Clones. Representation,
Corey:which is fine. And I've seen some of the some fans being a little upset, like, Oh, why didn't they do a gym? Because if you go through the effort of bringing Hayden Christensen back, and then you bury his face under CG, that, you know, the uncanny valley is still real, they haven't been able to completely trick the eye. And I'd rather them I'd rather them, you know, have you suspend your disbelief for a second. Then take a you know, an actor and a character that we love. And like I said, bury it under some CGI, that's not going to make it look better. Make but make people sit there and go. Oh, well, the CGI looks weird.
Brooksie:Yeah, no, I agree that it would have been it's a slippery slope. And either way somebody would have complained about it. So exactly.
Corey:And I love how they're just, you know, they're doing a training tool. It seems like it might be some kind of some Ascension ritual. It seemed like there was a lot riding on that fight. So I don't know if that was like, you know, if Anakin had one, maybe that's when he takes the next step towards the trials at this point.
Tanner:Yeah, because in Attack of the Clones, he's still a paddle. He's not excuse me, elevated to the rank of night until after the duel with Duke that's what elevates him to the rank night. And then we get the Clone Wars from but one of the cool things about these flashbacks is the mirror effect that's going on with these flashback every time we flashback to and you can tell us we're wrong because we will admit this we were just talking about how we might have this reversed every time that you Anakin gets the upper hand in the flashback in the episode five, it flashes to Obi Wan and how he's gonna react and then when Obi Wan gets the upper hand in the flashback vise, it flashes to Vader in getting the who's trying to get the upper hand now. It was awesome symmetry, like the it was just so cool the through line to keep that going and progress the episode, but they're on Jabeen. That's where we Obi Wan has escaped that beam with layup and meets up with all the force sensitive children and families that are trying to get away.
Corey:Hi, Joe Rogan. They're all there. They go in there happy to see everybody. Here's a small thing that I saw on the interwebs. And it's that there's a there's a podcast called The RX and around show hosted by Michael Conoco. And Greg, I don't know his last name. But Michael has been trying for years just saying like put me in the background of a Star Wars Show put me in the background of a Star Wars Show. I'll be a rebel. And they did it. So that was like a really nice fan moment of seeing somebody that like I've been listening to their podcast for years. I root for this cosplayer. And then they're in Star Wars now. It's a really cool fan moment. But yeah, so the Empire is coming. They're coming for Obi Wan because the tracker was in Lola from episode four. And and everybody's kind of battening down the hatches. And then and then we just
Tanner:deal with the siege basically.
Corey:Yeah, it's kind of very last Jedi. You know, the last, the last remnants of the resistance, the Rebel Alliance, whoever they're trying to escape and get away from the oppressive forces, and it's just hold them off as long as he can until we can make our escape kind of thing. I had fun with it as far as it goes.
Tanner:I mean, we were not going to jump straight to that scene that made everyone freak out in Episode Five yet, but they I think one of the coolest scenes is the fact that we get to see reverse backstory, and we get our order 66 Flashback at the Jedi Temple that everyone has been clamoring for.
Corey:How do you feel about that? bruxy at like, did you like the flashback?
Brooksie:Oh, yeah, I think it was it was a good bow on reverse story, if that makes sense. And we got to see because we don't really see a lot of her background. All we know is he's just the third sister. That's it. But in this episode we're given Okay, she was there. When the five o first Legion attacked the Jedi Temple. She was there to witness all of her other Patty Juan's and her master get gunned down by clones. And then we cut to when she meets Anakin face to face, thinking, Well, you know what's going on? Like, what? Why are the clones attacking and he stabs her thinking, why, why would you do this? Hence why just the just the sheer anger and confusion that she has in the situation? And then utilizes that as she grows up and rises into the inquisitorial is
Tanner:her and Obi Wan negotiating at the door. And he's like, that would be mannequins identity would be a closely guarded secret. Wait, you were there. And then he comes to the realization of you're not serving Him, you're hunting him. And it's, it's just like this cool, like, like, gave her a good story. Now, Cory, you and I have mentioned that, you know, she's a good part of the story, but could have done without her in a lot of ways, but it does add an element to the story. And if she served as the mechanism to which we got the Anakin in the Jedi Temple, during Order 66 Flashback
Corey:Yes, for the sake of the story, it would have been very difficult to show us order 66 flashbacks and not have that classic Star War complaint of it's just fan service. There's no reason to see it. Now we have somebody who was actually there firsthand. And I love watching Obi Wan have those realizations about like, you were young. You were there. You somehow survived. And then she goes into him about he was your patwon
Tanner:Where were you? Exactly. And he's off. He's like, sorry, I was just riding a lizard.
Corey:I was like, I was fighting a forearmed maniac robot. I kicked him with my shin and it hurt. You may have got stabbed but my legs still hurts to this day when it gets cold in the tattly Nights.
Tanner:That's why I have a limp.
Corey:That's why he lost the first fight with Vader.
Tanner:style. Yeah, I had a moment there. I had a moment I thought you're talking about when he Anakin was Anakin Vader transition on most of our
Corey:nobbly. But one of my favorite parts of that episode is when they're talking about trying to go fix Lola goes off and disables the the hatch opening mechanism so they can't escape your end. Layup there's a moment whether, hey, we need somebody to go up in there. I need a ladder. I'm sorry, Princess, we don't have time to play right now.
Brooksie:She doesn't even hesitate. She already at this young age is showing resemblance of a leader leadership roles. And she, it's it's the fact that it's starting to show now that she's already you know what I gotta do what I must. Keys. He's helped me out. He's rescued me. How can I help? How can I help these people? These people have been helping Jedi. How can I help these people now? And I want to be a part of this.
Corey:Exactly. And when they tell her no, we'll be ones like you trust me. I trust her. Get her the ladder like you want the jet eyes help. Let her help. That's my advice. That
Brooksie:is why they picked her to play a very well. And I guarantee you if Kerry was around, she would be very proud of her. Yeah.
Tanner:Oh, yeah. She would absolutely be like, This is amazing. Thank you. But going from layup to that back to the conversation with Riva and Obi Wan and Episode Five, after like, the stormtroopers have just been blasting the door. I thought it was absolutely hilarious that she's like, You know what, fuck this shit. And she just ignites her lightsaber. And that's what gets through the door is slicing through it. i It was stupid, but it was hilarious.
Brooksie:It's almost like as if it's the same thing from episode one. You have these huge blast doors and yet a lightsaber can just cut right through it lengthen a hot knife
Tanner:through butter. Yeah,
Corey:I see it more as like, yeah, she could have cut through that anytime. But it's the Empire we're just gonna blast away at the door scare the crap out of the people on the inside because they don't care
Tanner:how much this cost and ammunition. We are the government we are the galaxy. So it doesn't it doesn't matter. Just keep firing. I don't care how much we go through when it comes to ammo.
Corey:And I love when that door opens up. And you have like 40 stormtroopers and they can't hit a single thing. Yeah, I felt like outside of a Bantha Yeah, really?
Tanner:Only Imperial Stormtroopers are this precise.
Corey:Really because these guys actually hit something.
Brooksie:Maybe it was that maybe it was just that one or two purge troopers that actually hit the shots that they needed because I mean, they're gonna they're there to do the work.
Tanner:Yeah, and you know, you get a really good moment of again, Obi Wan coming back to himself. You see the protector in Jedi at the front of the wave of Stormtroopers trying to deflect as much blaster prior to withdrawing the fire to it sword and shield technique sword and shield techniques. Shield rebels. Yeah.
Corey:Like that could be cool.
Tanner:We get a really unfortunately for me, I have found it a sad moment Tala goes down and that'd be he's just taken shots and he just knows he's got no time left. So Ned be the lifter joy just goes and takes as much fire in front of tall as he can to save her. I teared up.
Brooksie:What? What I did notice though, while he was firing at the Imperials, he was carrying a battle. Be one battle droid II 55. blaster
Corey:Yes, yep. The granddaddy of the stormtroopers 11 blaster rifle that famously can't hit dirt. Yes.
Brooksie:And I like Korea. I did watch it the other day too. And I was like, Okay, I see. I see what what that is right there. That's, that's the separatist Alliance typical e 55. blaster.
Tanner:What's really funny in this conversation made me think about it is if you look at it from going back to the in the United States, our Revolutionary War in the 1700s the Empire fights very much like the British Empire, just put them in a line, inhale volleys. Adam doesn't matter if you're accurate. Meanwhile, the rebels or anyone they're going after very much flights like the Americans did at that time with guerrilla warfare tactics and just take it every advantage they can and they're more precise and stuff about it.
Corey:Well, it goes to show you that the Empire's whole thing is that we're going to overwhelm them with numbers it doesn't matter how effective they are. It goes right to Bad Batch when they're phasing out the clone troopers First off, why they are so effective. Oh absolutely combat but again, it's the money
Tanner:the money they want to funnel all that that money into the Death Star project
Corey:exactly for the for half the price of making more clones, they could make 30 star destroyers. Yeah,
Brooksie:because the star of the Imperial Star Destroyer is significantly larger than the Venator class,
Tanner:which was an insanely large ship to begin with,
Corey:as everyone knows, yeah.
Tanner:I mean, when you look at a starter strip, if you look at in certain media when they went from the Venator, to the Imperial Star Destroyer, you could see the size difference. There's there have been shots showing the difference. And I can't remember where I've seen him whether it was animated or live action, or even if it was comics, I can't remember but there have been shots where you see the difference in size. And that's not even to think about Vader ship. The executor the
Brooksie:executor? Yeah, that was that was a super super star destroyer. Yep, well, you know, one of I think three but
Corey:then you also have the Devastator I'm pretty sure sounds like he's like main star destroyer, which I imagine is the one that we see him on?
Tanner:I think so. Yeah, absolutely. Because he has to be the executor wasn't even finished in A New Hope. No, it had been being built at the kuwait.dr yards forever. I remember that.
Corey:Just a real quick question before we go on because we get into another flashback Yep. Which I love that they have the flashback is the backbone of this episode. Like you said my head canon until this is confirmed. Obi Wan and Anakin they wrap up this tool they do the whole training thing you know a patwon You will still be and then immediately get a call from Mace Windu that they need to go protect Senator on the dollar she just got out of my head cannon
Brooksie:is interesting too because you can actually see her apartment building in the background of the episode I didn't catch that I did not catch it it's really it's a really quick glimpse but it's there and i i For both of your head cannons I firmly believe that that's the thing
Tanner:oh really quick really quick on this note of seeing things in the background to you fans out there going oh my god they put hidden Mickeys in the flashback I'm gonna I'm like are you kidding me? Are you kidding me right now? I don't care. I don't care. Look at everything else. I don't care if there's a hidden Mickey put it wherever you want. It's literally shadows from some of the buildings that make Mickey ears. Why don't care.
Brooksie:Why not a hidden goofy. Oh, stop.
Tanner:Alright, moving on.
Corey:Some people are just crazy. Apparently, you know, before the show starts. They show all the different characters with the blue light or the red light over them. Yep. In the intro. I guess Jar Jar is lit by red light. So everybody's like oh. Oh, Jesus, all sparkly.
Tanner:Well, we keep getting the flashbacks through episode five. And then Obi Wan realizes he needs like I need to go. No. I'm just gonna give myself up to reefa. So he goes out to give himself up to Riva where he basically tells me after learning that she's hunting Vader uses her against him. Just convinces him that Vader will be so focused on me that that'll be your time to strike.
Corey:Which I don't think she understood that that was the plan because she doesn't come after him until like Obi Wan is already long gone
Tanner:again. So yeah, she's like, okay, and then she puts him back inside the blast doors and calls Vader Down. And then Obi Wan escapes from the troopers that were stationed with him and oh shit. Did we have a scene there? Badass Vader Thank you Disney.
Corey:Yeah, no he that was the entrance that he should have gotten you know an episode. What was it? Three Episode
Brooksie:Three Yeah, leave Oh,
Corey:he is pissed storming down like we got him I got Kenobi Dead to Rights Here we go. We're gonna ask this guy off.
Tanner:He does rolls in there and you see the transport taking off and straight out of Force Unleashed. He just reaches up with the force to pull the transport back
Brooksie:Star Killer use two ends of course this was a star destroyer. Bader wasn't even trying now that was held it like it was nothing a yanked down. And he ripped that ship
Tanner:apart. Yeah, puts it down and just one hand rips the whole thing in half to get inside. And then you see there's actually a second transport behind it. Which Corey says is a little to Disney. But it works because it's probably part of Obi Wan's plan when he gives them up like hey, that transports running let's get them all on that one instead of splitting up and we do this and it totally ties into his plan of he will be too focused on me. He will see that ship leaving and think I'm on it and so that's all his focus will be on.
Brooksie:Yeah, it seemed very like have a very rebel tactic. Like use one as a decoy and then put everyone in one ship and then take off. Yeah, so that's what I thought But I mean, I don't really see it as like a, quote unquote Disney thing.
Corey:So was that ship on autopilot? Do we think
Tanner:or there might have been destroyed in there?
Brooksie:Or? My bet? Yeah, I think it was probably like an autopilot was my guess it was probably just pre programmed with the same coordinates or like the moon's coordinates or something.
Corey:So So Obi ones gone. Vader's sitting there like, ah, darn it. I wish I had grabbed that one out of the sky too. And then Riva? Who if you're gonna sneak attack someone from behind? Don't
Tanner:scream before you do it. And also don't ignite your lightsaber in their presence. Click
Corey:the hill up to their back and then turn it on. Why are you screaming? Darth
Brooksie:Vader? Yeah, yeah,
Tanner:well, yeah, and which led to a pretty like it was a badass flight. For one reason it highlighted the difference between a sith lord and an inquisitor like real it everyone they said she is pretty powerful and she was pretty skilled is what they hinted out there all the all the episodes, and Vader doesn't even ignite his lightsaber. He just dodges like little one step dodges, uses the Force to block the saber or catch it. And then he rips up the saber from her and uses her saber. And we get a really cool flashback, the symmetry of Vader standing over her again. And then he goes Do you think I didn't remember Yun Ling No, saying that he knew the whole time and Grand Inquisitor walks in as it's happening, which we all knew was something like that. Yeah. And the Vader stabs her. And the Grand Inquisitor is like, vengeance does wonders for the will to live. And they just leave her to die there. And it was really cool that he did say you think we let you we let you get to where you are because you were useful. We Vader knew the whole time and had plans for you
Corey:because Vader knew that if Obi Wan knew that she was a Yun Ling they would probably end up working together and it would draw Obi Wan out even more. I think Vader kind of intended to use Riva
Tanner:and that's why she's so obsessed with Obi Wan I think too is I think that it has been hinted at her that because Vader is still looking for Obi Wan like it's been purposely like it's a little like a cheese to get you going the right way. You little rat.
Corey:I mean, we see the Grand Inquisitor is alive is basically confirming he told Vader Rivas the one who stabbed me she's a fucking trader. Yeah. Watch out for her.
Tanner:Yeah. And then you know we flash up to the transport that got away and you find out the hyperdrives down and then Obi Wan gets this feeling in the forest. Now. Hajah had his communicator when he went off to go. Bass, Riva and Pasha dropped the communicator and Riva found it and facade the message from bail that we saw earlier in this episode about the I'm afraid that they he knows about the children. I'm heading to tattooing now to help Oh, and, and Riva grabs it as she's laying on the ground. And the episode ends with Obi Wan. Getting a premonition, essentially that Luke's in danger, and it just zooms in on Luke sleeping on tattooing, end of the episode and holy shit. Do we have some serious stuff to talk about for episode six of this though?
Corey:I will say just before we jump into that the whole bail sending the message thing. That's another like small gripe for me. Because he basically says, Hey, I know we agreed not to say anything because it would be really dangerous. But you haven't said anything. So let me say something like, Yeah,
Brooksie:I think yeah, I agree. Because it sounds like don't talk about it. But I have to talk about it because I don't feel comfortable because you're not talking about it. And I have anxiety now. And
Corey:like, Hey, I know we agreed we were gonna keep this secret, but you've been keeping the secret. So like, I gotta tell you the secret again.
Tanner:Pretty much. All right.
Corey:But that gives us the driving point of half of the story in episode six.
Brooksie:So again, we're only going to talk about big points like we did with Episode Five.
Tanner:Yeah, berczy Overall the what was your before we jump into it? Episode Six. What was it? Did you like it? Or did you hate it?
Brooksie:Episode Six was phenomenal. It was ended the series and what essentially for me, we got everything we wanted.
Tanner:Yeah, Cory, your thoughts?
Corey:I really really liked it. There's only a couple of parts that I would have omitted but I don't think anything in it was like I really enjoyed the episode they handled Vader they handled the anak Obi Wan. Very well. Um,
Tanner:they Yeah, I it. For me, it was unbelievable as well. I don't think I can give it a 10. But I can give it pretty damn close to a 10
Corey:It's like a nine or 9.5 for me. Yeah,
Brooksie:yeah, a nine or 9.5 for me as well.
Tanner:So again, we're opening the episode up and I don't even we just watched it. We watched it together and every time this happens, we're so amped up from what we watch. We forget it.
Brooksie:So we're first things first, we're starting off. Imperials, specifically Vader, Grand Inquisitor and a star destroyer are chasing after the Jedi rebel. Rebel Sal. And Obi Wan is talking to what's his name again rack, raucous Rogan Rogan, thank you. And Rogan says, we're not doing so good. motivator shot hyperdrives not working so good. Rear shields are taking a beating power couplings gone. He then says and come up comes up with the idea. He's after me. Let me take a diversion. And everybody in the entire ship is like no, don't do it. We need you especially Laya.
Tanner:Les is like you said you weren't gonna leave. And I love the line we get where he's looking around the ship though. And Les is talking to the young boy on the ship with Lola. And then she comes running up. They're scared she makes them feel better. I was like, you've sweet little precious Angel. Why are you so good?
Brooksie:And after talking with layup He then gets the transport ready to go. And they slow down for a real brief moment. And Obi Wan takes the transport and the rebels they split up. And the Grand Inquisitor is like we should just go after the cell waiters like now we're taking down Kenobi today. I'm getting him today. This is ending today.
Tanner:And then the other thing that's happening in the episode is Rivas on tattooing, hunting, trying to find where ln is with with Luke and baru and all of that.
Corey:And everybody has been saying that each episode of this show has mirrored one of the episodes of the original saga episodes one through six. A lot of return to the Jedi parallels in this episode
Tanner:refilled with lot returning to tattooing with put up in everything she does,
Corey:like she takes her hood down exactly like Luke does and job as palace.
Brooksie:Oh, very quick, agile like you will, you will leave solo on the wiki to me. Oh, yeah, exactly.
Tanner:And so I don't think we're going to touch too too much on the plot point of Riva going after Luke, oh, and imbrue because we all know they survive. Like that's just a given.
Brooksie:Without a doubt,
Corey:I had zero worries the entire time that any of those sequences were happening.
Tanner:And that's not to take away from reverse story. It's just it does take away from it. Because like we're not personally taking away from it. But that whole thread in my opinion of her going to tattooing. I don't care enough because we know that all three of those people survive. Exactly. So we're going to focus on what really important here
Corey:is the meat and potatoes of it. Yeah, we'll be one goes to this planet, which I would like to know the name of, for I looked
Brooksie:it up and so far, it has it has no name.
Corey:The Cliffs of Insanity, we'll call it that for right now.
Tanner:Definitely checks out that it could be the Cliffs of Insanity and a reference an episode that's coming out in the future that we that I have to finish at. Vader's goes, I will go meet him alone. And I'm not I am I the only one in the room that he's like when he says ready my ship hoping that he's going to pop out in his in his TIE Fighter. Yeah,
Brooksie:I thought it was his personal tie advance. Well, I was hoping. Yeah, it was definitely like the prototype that we see from episode four. Yeah.
Tanner:And I'm really upset that it was a lambda class shuttle. I mean, it makes sense, because we're only 10 years after the fact. And I said this to the guys earlier, the Lords of the Sith novel, which is can and is takes place six years after the fact. And even at that point, they're still not using Thai fighters everywhere. They're still using some old republic fighters. And the lambda class shuttle is how Vader and Palpatine get around the most at that point.
Corey:Plus, if we're talking return to the Jedi parallels, it also gives us Vader walking down the ramp of a lambda again.
Brooksie:Yeah, yes, yes, exactly.
Tanner:And it was when they meet, Vader basically says are you going to kill me? And Obi Wan says, God, I got it. I will do what I must and full on episode three.
Brooksie:Lightsaber behind two fingers out With the arm extended one
Tanner:three Cerise you starting position and
Brooksie:we get right into the fight, which we said we were going to get at at the end of this series. And we did and they delivered this fight very well.
Tanner:I think the fight started out pretty good. Like, they were kind of feeling each other out again like, if you know if you watch that first part of the fight, there wasn't necessarily like yes, Vader is the aggressor, but he's not at that at the beginning of the fight the more dominant of the two and neither is Obi Wan. They're very much just like in the opening before the cave, the Cliffs of Insanity as we call that. fighting it out and then we flash back over to Riva again and going after Oh, and everyone. Oh, by the way. Oh, when is a worst shot than a fucking Stormtrooper?
Brooksie:Yes.
Corey:Oh, one's kind of useless. I feel like Obi Wan should have been talking to baru the entire time
Brooksie:she's got this. I'm gonna be honest. She's got the pants on in the relationship. She's got hidden guns. She's got a plan going she's like look we we both we both know this was gonna happen eventually pulls out like three different blaster rifles. Excuse me what she's like, believe me. We knew this was gonna happen and just sets a plan she gets a plan going to a woman. powerful woman.
Tanner:Yeah, and he misses a shot with grievous got his back her back turn.
Unknown:I had shot too. She would have been done after that,
Corey:like fire a warning across his bow or her bow.
Brooksie:And then a warning shot up it.
Tanner:And then we flashback to Vader versus Obi Wan and Vader is taken full is is mostly pressing the advantage but there's a moment where Obi Wan hits him with a force push and or it's not that moment actually. Obi Wan reaches up to pull something down on top of Vader with the force and Vader goes oh, I've seen your full powers returned. Yeah, it's not gonna be any use really? You know that right? Then Vader just presses the advantage and at this stage starts beating Obi Wan and Obi Wan is doing his best to keep up. Did you expect to see Vader open up the fucking pit below Obi Wan though?
Brooksie:No, no that was absolutely not that was that was really
Tanner:cool opens up the pit between underneath Obi Wan and hasn't fall into it and it's standing over him the
Corey:pit of despair.
Brooksie:Yeah, it almost as if when he does open the pitch. He does almost this. Or he says almost the same thing that grievous says to him in episode three, you will lose Obi Wan. And grievous says to him in episode three. Episode Three. Excuse me, is you lose general
Tanner:Kenobi? I didn't catch that. I didn't catch that. At
Brooksie:least. It looks like it is I could be wrong. It looks that way.
Tanner:I didn't catch that. But what I was disappointed about is that in terms of mirroring things, you have Anakin standing over Obi Wan. So yeah, you have the imagery of Revenge of the Sith again, but I I expected him to full on look at him and say now I have the high ground, especially
Corey:when he's making jokes to Krennic like Be careful not to choke on your aspirations. Like yeah, I got the high ground now it will be one would have been perfect. Yeah, no,
Brooksie:I agree with that. 100%
Tanner:So I said this to you guys while we were watching it. But I have to say it again is I liked the fact that they did the computer generation for James Earl Jones's voice in this because if you really listen to how the lines are delivered, in this, they're delivered very much more with that Hayden Christiansen cadence of how the lines are delivered the emphasis on certain phrasing and certain words and whatnot. That wasn't there with any other portrayal of Vader in my opinion. So in I wonder if what they did is they took because who the hell knows what kind of technology they have at Skywalker Ranch for sound effects these days? I mean, it's lightyears beyond what I do editing. But who knows, they probably had all those lines being spoken by Hayden. And then they use the computer to create jams to layer James Earl Jones over the delivery of it because if you just listen to it, it's very Hayden asking how he delivered the lines for Annika Yes,
Brooksie:absolutely. I agree with that. 100% I think that's pretty accurate for what they were doing.
Corey:I've always heard a bit of a disconnect between Vader's speech pattern and Anakin speech pattern but in this show, especially. It's not it's not as apparent the
Tanner:pattern is they're very much like how why Can I think of his name? Who plays Sheldon Cooper?
Corey:Oh, no, I don't come back to me by the time we stopped recording.
Brooksie:I agree
Tanner:but very much how he Jim Parsons. Yes. Jim Parsons. He created the diet, the the pattern and cadence that Sheldon has and he all in that's just because of being an actor you understand, like you can develop that. Sheldon, he talked about in interviews, how he developed certain syllables that Sheldon says like the like the fifth or third or some sort of like number of syllables, he puts more emphasis on with Sheldon. And that's very much the vibe that I get when I'm listening to Hayden speak is he he has those cadences and those patterns and they took those things and put James Earl Jones voice.
Corey:Very sorry, Master. You know, he puts a little, little extension on certain words. And then Vader when he said, he walks away from Kenobi in the pit, he says something.
Tanner:But Easter, like it's the air. You see what I'm talking about there? Yeah, so he's got Obi Wan in the pit and he just decides like, like, I'm gonna use the force and just throw a bunch of debris on you and crush you
Corey:again. Vader confirm your kill.
Brooksie:Serious? Yeah, I agree. He just he has a tendency to just be like, well, they're half buried. I'm just gonna go home.
Tanner:In his defense, even at Kenobi his peak, he shouldn't survive that no even Revenge of the Sith Kenobi he should not have survived that.
Corey:And Kenobi very much has one of those like SpiderMan Homecoming, when Peters buried under the rubble, like, think of everybody you're fighting for think of.
Tanner:And exactly, but in the scene, what I like is you see the rubble coming down on him, like he like he's straining, and he's losing that battle. And then we get that like moment where he just thinks of everything. And mostly you get flashes of layup because he's went on this journey with layup but there are one or two flashes of Luke in there as well. And he does something which I have a feeling I haven't gone online yet, so I don't dare look, but I have a feeling many people in this fandom are gonna freak the fuck out about and say That's bullshit. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Ridiculous. He could never do that. He's not that strong. He literally just lifts all the debris off of him with the force no problem and comes and like just blasted away and comes out of the pit to go back after Vader. But he gives
Corey:into the force to protect others. He's not going to let Vader get away.
Tanner:And this is how he survived his duel against General Grievous he was touching. He was letting the force blow through him in its entirety. He was giving into the living force and let it guide his motions in grievous fight. And this whole journey, we've seen him reestablishing his connection at the force. And it's the like, when he remembers why he's fighting. You see it just like that moment of him, letting the force just opening himself up entirely to the living force, and it just blasts. It's what Qui Gon was trying to teach him all along.
Brooksie:Yep. Yep. All along. 100%
Corey:just goes to show you he needed a girl worth fighting for. Old school reference, so no, that was that was good.
Tanner:Ming would have a proof. Good.
Corey:I hope so. But he Obi Wan gets out of the pit and he comes back with you know, the power of a Jedi. And
Tanner:at peak like it was like what a Jedi strives to reach.
Corey:He's like picking up rocks, which all I could think of is this is the sequel trilogy. And Ray has just a power, move stones and rocks and stuff. And then at the end when she saves everyone lifting rocks.
Brooksie:Yeah, that was a cool, little parallel. I didn't even think of that. I know that. You mentioned it. You mentioned
Tanner:it when we were watching it. And I took me a sec, but I was like, I see what he's referencing. No, but like, he's not just lifting rocks. He's like 90, like arms out just fully into the trance that that is the force or the song that is the force because many people talk about it. And he even talked about it earlier in the episode. You know that feeling when you're scared of the dark and you turn the light on and your fears away? Yeah, that's the that's what it feels like. Of course, he was fully bask in the light and song of the force.
Corey:See, Obi Wan had played enough star war games from the early 2000s to know you just got to force throw the rocks into the bad guys. And that's how you win. I've hit Vader with so many rocks and debris. Like you got it Obi Wan you got it? Yeah, no, that's pretty accurate. The boss fight round two and he annihilates
Tanner:Oh, yeah, he's Footlight annihilates Vader. You pointed this out and I didn't see it because I was so wound up when we were watching it. I mean, everyone knows that Vader's weaknesses, his control panel, and they even fights in a way that always protects his control panel, very one handed able to still use the force the other hand but he's Always guarding the control panel.
Corey:And Obi Wan bashes it with the butt of his saber with the pommel. And yeah, not even not even a strike just
Brooksie:I don't even think Vader was expecting that either. I think it took him off guard, like, I'm sure. In his head, he was like, whoa, whoa, what's going on here,
Tanner:but it's very much again, the force guiding his movements because I don't think in a in a duel with any other Jedi or any duel that would have happened unless the force was guiding his movements, the force was telling him, You need to hit that panel. And so and it's like, do it this way. Because you actually get the get it in.
Brooksie:I agree with that. Because if I think it'd be used, the actual blade key would have had a better chance of blocking versus the bottom of the blade. He wouldn't have seen it coming and took it right out.
Tanner:And that's a big thing that people always talk about in the duel and Revenge of the Sith is like, Why the hell are they spending their sabers like that you're fighting against somebody that when they're using the Force, they're seeing milliseconds ahead so they can still like so they're going to they're trying to get through each other's perception. Essentially,
Corey:my favorite version of that there's one of the throne books, Vader's there. And he talks about having this double vision where he can see exactly where each blast is coming where it's going to be. And that's where he can get his saber to it. So that that spin on Mustafar where they're both spinning around, they're trying to find gaps in each other's armor and building momentum at the same time. All right.
Brooksie:Okay. You that's when they clash, and then immediately they both use like a force push, and they're they're holding it for a good second, and then they both get
Tanner:pushed away and what and when I so we've never seen Obi Wan crumble anybody. Of course, we saw him crumpled Darth Vader.
Corey:He does like the one push to grievous when they're fighting. But he that's
Tanner:also not a Force user. Well, yeah, no, that's fair. That's what I'm kind of saying is Obi Wan is always the one getting crumpled because that act that like passive force barrier that all Force users use when they're in a fight with him is kind of weak, and he is also not the most skilled. He's never the most powerful. He's very well practiced, but he's never the most powerful Jedi. And he crumbles him like no effort, just blast him way the hell back into the freaking Cliffs of Insanity,
Corey:which was so cool that force Bush, he
Tanner:gets multiple strikes to his life support system, actually, he gets the hilt strikes and then it comes back up and hits it with the blade.
Corey:And I do love how there's like they're grappling with each other. Yeah, they're there. It's close quarters. It's these two have been fighting for yours. Again, you see it in the flashback and Episode Five. They know each other so
Tanner:well. And I one of the other subtleties I love about this fight is they do a really good job with they do the best job with Vader in this fight. Because yes, Vader in the suit is bigger clunkier, and, you know, harder to move, but he's always in his dark side rage and using the Force to augment his movement. So now you actually see him doing that and actually contend in a way of dodging and moving quickly and semi acrobatic stuff because his lightsaber combat is a blend of a lot of things that he's learned over the years, like when he was a Jedi he fought with form five, but as a Sif havoc with all the limitations of the suit. He he uses, he made a hybrid form of form five, form two, which was what Count Dooku used form three to help protect his center mass, and then form he literally combined the first the like, middle four lightsaber forms together to make it so it worked for him. And you saw that in this fight, which you haven't seen, he uses very tight motions, but it's still able to move.
Corey:But it's not enough to hold up against Obi Wan, who, who gets one good slice in and we get classic. Well, not classic, but ever since rebels it's been one of my favorite images is Vader with a little chunk of the helmet missing?
Brooksie:And a little
Corey:Yeah, he's missing most
Brooksie:missing a good half of his face face plate. But what's interesting to know is it's the opposite side of where Ahsoka hit. She hit him on the left side of his face plate. He hit him on the right side of his face plate
Tanner:vice versa, but yes,
Brooksie:that thank you. I got
Tanner:that. So what you were doing, it's on your left on your left and
Brooksie:on your left. But Hi. But it's almost as if the two people he cared about the most that are still alive are almost de masking him. In a sense you didn't get that from
Corey:our earlier Yeah, but like it finally clicked when you said it like Yeah, I wish we
Tanner:had a video camera in here because his
Unknown:his face lit up like country he was like, Oh my gosh, I get that.
Brooksie:I understand that reference.
Corey:The each kind of expose a different side of Anakin and I think Ahsoka was closer to getting him to soften.
Brooksie:I believe so because they had a lot closer of like a father daughter bond versus Obi Wan and Anakin had it having more of like a friendship, a brotherhood, a brotherhood. And, you know, they they've bicker back and forth, but a Ahsoka and him had that unique paternal bond. Yes, I
Corey:would agree with that. For me, it's the glass Enos and the sorrow and Obi one's eyes when he tells Anakin I'm sorry, like, I'm truly sorry for everything that happened.
Tanner:It was when we were watching this episode. I think it was Brooksie who said oh my god, it actually is him in the zoo. I think it was you and you see it was you see Hayden done up in the Darth Vader unmasked makeup and his eye is our Sith read but like you see Hayden and in that's what makes Obi Wan like tear up and say I'm sorry, because he sees Anakin. He sees what Anakin has become. And I get chills now even now. Look at this literal fucking chills thinking about this conversation.
Brooksie:He apologizes to him. And it you there's there's a couple of tendencies. When he's talking where it'll, you'll hear Hayden speak, but it will kind of dip into the James Earl Jones Vader a little bit. And he's
Tanner:also breathing with the same breathing from Return of the Jedi at the end when he's dying. But yeah, it's the
Brooksie:it's wheezing. Yeah. And you know, he says, almost like it's I'm drawing a blank.
Unknown:He says
Tanner:so he looked at when Obi Wan says he's sorry, Anakin slash Vader, because that's what's happening. It's the two it's the two personalities are briefly visible again. Yes, it says back to him. Anakin, I was not your greatest failure. Anakin was not your greatest failure. Yeah, he says Obi Wan. And and he goes, You did not kill Anakin Skywalker. I did it is what Vader says back to him,
Corey:which is what Palpatine wants Anakin to think.
Tanner:Yeah. And but the next line that Obi Wan says is that my friend is truly gone.
Brooksie:Which is the same thing that Luke said. But more than my father is truly dead. Yeah,
Tanner:I mean, that is truly debt going back to
Brooksie:what Corey said about the parallels between this episode and Return of the Jedi,
Corey:which is perfect because that's one thing. I mean, one of the podcasters I listened to they were talking about when Vader says in return to the Jedi Obi Wan once thought as you do to Luke. And it perfectly puts those two scenes together.
Tanner:Not only that, Corey, but it's the from the certain point from a certain point of view conversation that we can and Obi Wan have on Degas.
Corey:Yeah, you're, yeah, Darth Vader who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, betrayed and murdered your father. Well, that's the new hope, new hope.
Tanner:And but he says it's not just Obi Wan's point of view that that's what happened. It's Vader's point of view as to what that's what happened as well. And it doesn't, because everyone's like, that doesn't make sense. From a certain point of view. That's always been one of those debates online. But now it makes sense.
Corey:From Africans wealth, Vader's own point of view. And it can die that day. Yep.
Brooksie:And it can die to the hands of eight. It almost sounds like this, this conversation that they had at the end of this fight. Almost as like closing that debate.
Tanner:Yeah, yeah. And I think I know the moment when Anakin died the exact moment it's when Obi Wan slices him and he looks up and he goes, I hate you. Yeah, I think that's the moment and it can die.
Brooksie:Right when his eyes went from his normal blue to the red Sith eyes. I think that is exactly correct.
Tanner:That's Cory.
Corey:I can Yeah, no, I agree with that. He was reborn Darth Vader and when Padma died? Yeah. It seems in your anger. You cute? She was alive. I felt that. No.
Tanner:And once again, Obi Wan just leaves Vader where he is and just walks away from him
Corey:twice. Now this guy has had the opportunity to just put Vader Down and save countless lives and chooses well this time the moral high ground but yeah, it just leaves in there
Tanner:and then rushes off the tattooing because Riva is going after Luke.
Corey:And I like how he gets that shutter in the force when when Luke is in danger.
Tanner:Yeah, he jumps to lightspeed just as he feels a shutter when Riva is catching up the loop.
Brooksie:Yeah, I'm sorry. I had no idea that that ship had hyperspace hyperspace game
Tanner:yeah, but we can also give it like doesn't on the on the ghost doesn't the shuttle off have hyper drive capabilities?
Brooksie:The ghost does but the shuttle does not. I thought the second one did the second one they did modify later in the show. Phantom two does Yeah.
Tanner:Yeah. So so it works. It's it's not breaking anything that the hyperdrive on the tiny little transport works but the big asked transport. The drop ship works but the big transport doesn't end there. hyperdrives are probably different enough you can't really marry up but anywho reverse chasing after Luke in the desert and basically has him dead to rights and I like the symmetry.
Corey:I also like that Luke doesn't directly encounter the Inquisitor at all or anything force wise he just thinks he like slips and falls off the rock
Tanner:and dilutes knocked the fuck unconscious and Riva standing over I'm ready to give the straight and
Corey:and she sees her own dang self in that kid when right down
Brooksie:as well as herself viewed as Anakin when he was slaughtering all the young Ling's
Tanner:and then just as Obi Wan arrives reverse coming back carrying Luke and you have you see oh and baru like he's dead, and then he breathes and she's like, I couldn't do it.
Corey:Which again, another mirror of return to the Jedi is we think that Luke is going to kill Vader and turn to the dark side. But he doesn't. He decides to go with Mercy Han. continues as a Jedi. So I can see Riva moving forward to becoming like some kind of Jedi or lightside characters and can we bump into like
Tanner:a Like we've said, we've you and I personally Cory could have done with without her personally. But that being said, I actually hope they use her and other Star Wars properties.
Corey:She she was a gateway to a lot of the stuff that we as fans wanted, like Vader fighting one of his apprentices and everything, which going back to that fight and five I know we're past that the symmetry of how Anakin is so. So hell bent on winning the saber duel fighting with the saber, and then when he fights Riva, he literally doesn't even use his own blade once now.
Tanner:Exactly. But I think that it ties her story up well, that she's basically throwing down the dark side and the saber. Now that being said, we could get her in a fall in order best game. I'm okay with that. Give it to me. Give me a comic. Give me a tire into something else. I'd be cool with that.
Brooksie:Yeah, maybe we'll see her or maybe a reference to her in the next fallen order game. Yeah, with cow justice.
Tanner:Yeah. And from there we go. Up to other on.
Corey:Hold on. Yes.
Tanner:And we've glossed over it but Obi Wan gave Laya taalas holster that has all the notches of all the Jedi she's saved in it, which is cool. Yeah. Which was really cool.
Corey:And she's like, it's empty. I'm not gonna give you a blaster there are only 10 years
Tanner:old. Yeah. Daddy Wan Kenobi being a good dad. Law. is true. He's
Brooksie:definitely being a good dad.
Tanner:But, you know, Leigh is actually not messing with her parents anymore. Who at this stage we all know that she knows she's adopted. So her adoptive parents are Donna's. She's there and present. And next thing you know, we we see Obi Wan shuttle coming down. And he steps off and have a really I love this interaction. He gives Lola back and it ties up. So well. Oh my god. I almost glossed over the parents comment.
Corey:Oh, yeah. Well, I just love that the fact that Obi Wan he's not going to straight up tell her everything like who her parents are. But just to say like, Hey, listen, sleep well, knowing like you got the best qualities of both your mother and your father. Like I can't tell you more but and she even goes That's fine. That's all I need to know. These guys are my parents now bail and Bree ha are my parents and I'm good with that.
Tanner:And he says to her you we can never discuss this what this adventure we've been on like it would endanger everyone we cannot we have to put it to bed it can never be brought up or anything like that.
Corey:See now it makes the hologram conversate the hologram she sends through our to a lot more like it's kind of cute now like general Kenobi years ago you serve my father in the Clone war. He he but we know.
Tanner:But that also makes sense. To because if she's putting it in a droid, she knows that there's the chance somebody else can find it. And she's like, if that's why she acts the way she doesn't it so to everyone saying that's a plot hole go to hell for fucking heaven's sake, I'm telling you to go to health
Corey:next time a show comes out. Watch the entire thing before you start saying, oh my gosh, it breaks cannon. There's so many things that's terrible. Because the Grand Inquisitor didn't die. Laya has a reason for keeping secrets as
Tanner:a reason why or even knows that Anakin is Vader? Yep, order 66
Corey:We still got a flashback. And it made sense at this show gave us a lot of things that cadang And I love. And the best of them come in the scene that follow the whole Alderaan scene where we're back on tattooing. We have Obi Wan goes to visit. We actually see him he's in his regular Jedi robes again, he's cleaning out his you know, he's moving on from his cave dwelling life. And, and he goes to visit Elon, and he says, hey, look, listen. You guys have him under control. I'm gonna back off a little bit. You're right. He doesn't need to be trained. I'm going to give you guys some distance. And that's when Owen goes, okay. That's all we needed. If you want to meet him, Go on over, say hi. And I love that. At the moment that follows. All four of us watching that show. stood up and sheared. He doesn't just
Brooksie:say hi. He just says hello that.
Tanner:When we I mean when I tell you I leapt out of my chair shouting I mean I was up. fist bumping like yeah,
Brooksie:all four of us. We're hearing like Cory said
Tanner:my cat hates us. Because my scare the EverLiving shit out of one of my cats.
Corey:I mean, we were waiting for it. It's this.
Unknown:We were hoping to at least hear it once throughout the whole show. And
Tanner:also he was able to give Luke the toy shuttle. Exactly. So like so that is cool that like when you go watch a new hope now he's playing with the shuttle just before he runs into Ben.
Brooksie:But that's not all that we get though.
Tanner:Oh my God. And that would have been a great way to end the show. Like we would have been a great way to end the show. But
Corey:we get to see Obi Wan's EOP again yes, yeah, that was perfect.
Tanner:That was the best way to
Corey:space camels they're the best proxies
Tanner:here's why this is even funnier in the studio guys. Because it will totally like Cory was gonna steal proxies
Unknown:I would have been fine with that. But I'm just like, he just we can just see easy to be like
Corey:the greatest character and stop that's what you guys were waiting for. Right? Ever since the first episode Roby wants like given that thing like a little chunk of meat I was like we need to see him again. I don't care who else shows up.
Tanner:This probably won't be as funny to you guys listening as it was here in the studio because it was literally just the someone's going it's Cory stealing Brooksie thunder and then he hits us with that we
Unknown:made it come out of my
Corey:mouth. No, but who do we see?
Brooksie:We see. Qui Gon Jinn played by Liam Neeson as a forest ghost and I
Tanner:love this because he literally is standing towards what's the what's the the beggars characters can't stand and he's standing with his back towards Obi Wan, staring at Beggar's Canyon. And he just and he's like Master qui God Qui Gon turns around and got bathe and goes. Well, it took you long enough. I loved that. I absolutely love that. You could say oh, it's not quite on character. Oh no. I loved it.
Corey:Well, no, it's perfect because it mirrors that Obi Wan now again, is a bad one he's learning and when Anakin goes to save him and Attack of the Clones, what took you so long? Oh, I
Tanner:didn't even think about that.
Corey:I just did right now. Well, you know, Master couldn't find a speeder that I really liked. But it's Obi Wan now has more to learn. He's finally mastered, you know, letting everything go and giving into the force and just being there to protect and
Tanner:he says I've been trying to reach him. He's like, I've been here the whole time. You just weren't ready.
Corey:Monster CLI gone. I've been trying to reach you about your cars limited No. Oh Ah Obi Wan did you get the $6 insurance it's not even my escape pod
Tanner:master quiet on you know I hate flying.
Corey:Yeah. Because of their running and master print and apprentice.
Tanner:Yeah, that was a wild one.
Corey:But who didn't? Did any of us think that Liam Neeson was not going to show up in one way or another?
Tanner:I thought there was a possibility who couldn't show up because it would still work in a lot of ways for the story. Like, I honestly didn't expect to see a full apparition of him I expected to see just get the disembodied voice because he never completed his training with wills. So Corey has that face again. I just realized
Corey:something because I just realized we forgot about another very awesome blue person cameo. Vader is back on Mustafar and he gets a collect call from Bob about
Brooksie:not it's Ian McDermott to Yeah, and everything about him is perfect.
Tanner:His makeup is by far the best makeup we've seen on Palpatine yet I don't care what anyone says. He does not look like a fucking shriveled up slug. He actually looks like Ian McDermott with that the scythe makeup on. Like it's the best internet physical interpretation of the i HarperTeen. I saw
Brooksie:it and all I could think of is just do it.
Corey:Yeah, no, there was a moment where I saw like the hooded figure and I'm like, is it gonna be Sam wit? We're doing the voice and somebody else know is straight up in MacDiarmid. Back as Papa palpi Good ol, the master of Chevelle himself, and wonderful, just absolutely wonderful. And he's like, it seems you know, Kenobi is distracting you and like Kenobi means nothing. Nope, I'll put it away if you want me to put it away, because
Tanner:which does tie in very well, in my opinion to a new hope. Because at that point when he senses Kenobi, he's just kind of like, Oh, he's back like, it works. He's in A New Hope he's full on board of the Sith, an imperial Enforcer. And he's not distracted by anything until he senses Kenobi presence. He's like, oh, oh, I'm gonna take care of that. Just because it's there. But it was just like a little itch that like he had a bug bite in his suit somehow in space. So he's like, I should scratch that.
Corey:Yeah, yeah, it's not like a driving passion inside him that he must kill Kenobi. And, and even in Rebels, which I believe takes place seven years after the show. I want to say five or seven, I
Tanner:think five to seven years is how far after rebels is, I think it's something like five is like season five years later season one starts on low thought, seven years later is when the show wraps. So probably six and a half, six years, probably.
Corey:And there's a moment where Vader is talking to the Emperor again on a hologram. And he's like, they may be the link to finding other surviving Jedi, like Kenobi. And Palpatine is like, if he
Brooksie:goes yeah, it's almost as if Palpatine is telling him don't focus on Kenobi
Corey:just let it go. Let it go. Wait, so we're making so many Robot Chicken references in this episode? Because
Tanner:I mean, and subscribe to our Patreon when I get that finished. Because that's where I'm going to upload all of our bloopers and outtakes where we did we're Korean Brooksie where Robot Chicken and Blue Harvest for like five minutes straight.
Corey:Did you guys want to like watch all three of the family guys Star Wars and Robot Chicken Star Wars Sunday just do like a like kinda long marathon find it absolutely make a content out of it somehow I'm
Tanner:sure find find them and we're good. I got it.
Brooksie:I have Blue Harvest. I don't have the Robot Chicken Star Wars. Do
Tanner:you have the Robot Chicken Star Wars?
Corey:I'm sure HBO Max does and I have that. Perfect, but the family guy wants I have on
Tanner:DVD though. Yeah. Oh, so old school. Hey, DVDs
Corey:are cool, man. You know what else are cool vinyl records.
Brooksie:Hey, it was you're now you're diving into hipster territory.
Tanner:Hey, there's nothing wrong with vinyl records as I sit here and drink my 8% Double IPA. Are those Citra hops. I think those are Citra hops. Maybe they're mosaic.
Corey:I don't know. But you know what I do know. Overall, I really liked the Kenobi series.
Brooksie:It was it was it ended perfectly.
Tanner:It gave us everything we were asking for it may not have delivered it in the way you expected slash wanted, but it gave you what you were Asking for every bit of it. Exactly.
Corey:Those first like two and three episodes were very, very much new. Yeah, New Star War, and then four starts to kind of sink back in and then five and six. Just go. Hey, what was the Star Wars you were looking for yours Hayden and even fighting it out.
Tanner:Badass Darth Vader.
Brooksie:Yes. Here's how poutine
Corey:here's Qui Gon Jinn. Here's that EOP that everyone loves him. You know?
Tanner:I don't think he's not gonna make it. We're almost about to die.
Corey:And there's one more lightsaber buried in the sands of tattooing.
Unknown:So in like 30 years, there's gonna be like three buried at the Lars residents.
Brooksie:Who are you? breather, Riva who ski
Corey:back from a sabers
Tanner:very much I'm gonna turn the crystals white. Yeah, actually actually give it to me in a video game or like a book or something. Give me a little short story or graphic novel of Riva trying to redeem herself and maybe meeting up with Cal casters are now kind of doing what Ahsoka does. Being in the background hat give her white sabers, but have her leading the force sensitive children away.
Brooksie:I could see that I can see her leading for sensitive children to like, hidden outer Outer Rim worlds just to find like an average everyday lifestyle. Yeah,
Tanner:but but I also want the visualization of her purifying those goddamn crystals.
Brooksie:That would be really cool.
Corey:I also really like the idea of like an exiled Inquisitor, you know, running around in this time where like for sensitives doesn't matter what your alignment is, somebody's going to end up reporting you to, to the Imperials or whatever, you know, what happens if she does run into Vader again? Or somebody else? You know, there's a lot
Tanner:how the fuck did you not die?
Corey:How are you still alive right now you got stabbed, like twice.
Tanner:She's invincible.
Corey:Revenge does wonders to the will to live. Wouldn't you say if the sister you know,
Tanner:as she's on tattooing, so she probably went to the monitors and got some stomach. Stomach things put in?
Brooksie:Oh, yeah.
Unknown:unkind words. She didn't care.
Corey:I can see it. I can totally see as she's
Tanner:been stabbed in the stomach twice in.
Corey:The Grand Inquisitor went straight down. When he got stabbed. She was fine. There's a show on HBO Max. It's called our flag means death. Have either of you guys heard heard of it or seen it? It's wonderful Tycho ytt is in it. There's a scene where someone's being taught how to like take a stabbing the right way so that like it misses all the organs and stuff. And I'm like, oh, read on this to watch that. Well, I
Tanner:mean, technically speaking, he she did get stabbed on the left side. And from what I know from watching television, you know, you want to aim for the lower left abdomen because there's less vital organs over there. So Vader missed.
Brooksie:What they're in space.
Corey:Maybe she has like a space pancreas or something on the left side. I don't know. I don't know, either.
Tanner:All right, guys. Thanks for joining me this week. As always, I'm Tanner.
Corey:I'm Corey. And I'm Papa Palpatine. And make sure to stay hydrated.
Tanner:And we'll see you in excess.