Dorkside Nexus

Lord Vader Who is this Shoresy They keep Referencing? Kenobi Episode 3 and 4 Breakdown

June 13, 2022 Tanner Season 2 Episode 9
Dorkside Nexus
Lord Vader Who is this Shoresy They keep Referencing? Kenobi Episode 3 and 4 Breakdown
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Well the Last 2 episodes of Kenobi were a wild ride! This week Brooksy, Corey , and Tanner break down the show so far and give their thoughts and opinions on everything from the touching moments between Ben and Leia, Reva's Character arc, Quinlan Vos, all the way to Vader vs Kenobi, and Ben reestablishing his connection with himself and the force

Also Tanner and Corey are really fired up this week about another show the Letterkenny spinoff Shoresy. Leading to some great outbursts and tangents  in the studio.

So sit back relax and SHUT THE FUCK UP SANGUINET!


Corey:

Hello there, and welcome to another episode of the Dorkside nexus. As always, my name is Cory

Tanner:

in my name is Tanner and my name is Brooksie. And

Corey:

we're all gathered today to talk about one of the coolest things that I've seen in a longest time. I think you guys will agree. Obi Wan Kenobi, episode three we're gonna start with let's just get right into it

Tanner:

before we get into it guys we just finished watching Episode Four as a group so stay tuned we'll get you our breakdown of that and what we thought of it later

Corey:

on. Yes, it's common. Just a heads up spoilers spoilers spoilers for episodes three and four of Obi Wan Kenobi. Let's just get right into this juicy juicy series of episodes.

Tanner:

Shut the fuck up sanguine aka off in case anyone else out there that doesn't get that. We also just started watching the Letterkenny spin off a shorty, which is fantastic. But let's get on to our main scheduled programming today. So episode three of Kenobi.

Corey:

Wow, I really enjoyed it.

Brooksie:

Absolutely incredible. little underwhelming.

Tanner:

At times, at times, I can understand why I can understand that critique of it because it does have that kind of feel at moments.

Corey:

But then it gets very, very, very whelming I think. Overwhelming. Do you think

Tanner:

no, I don't think it's overwhelming.

Brooksie:

No, I'm with Tanner. It's definitely at a very minimal level. Like the the entirety of the episode just seems slow at first and then it does pick up a little bit but it's not like wow, this is this is really good. It's good, but it's not to an extent where it's like this is amazing. This is a great episode. It's it's it's good, but it's it could be better.

Corey:

I thought it was fun. So we get we've got Obi Wan and little Leia last we saw of them they were escaping from bro Lydia. Well. Oh yeah, I couldn't remember what the planet was called. Oh, it was die. You die. They were escaping. I couldn't remember on the last episode. I googled it.

Tanner:

Yeah, no, that's why I called you out on that. You like letting go letting go?

Corey:

Yeah. Trying to figure out Star Wars names. Now. There's so many planets and so many new things to remember in the lore. I remember when it was just like six movies. That was pretty easy to remember.

Tanner:

Yeah. Do you think we get to see Stu John at all the planets do John?

Corey:

Um, I mean, it's possible. We haven't gotten very many references in the canon to like Obi Wan's past and where he's from, and we

Tanner:

help this episode we Yes, exactly. But that's why I brought up Steve John. Fun fact that George Lucas came up with that name on the fly when he was on the show with Jon Stewart. Because Jon Stewart goes what planets Obi Wan from he just looks at him and goes, Stu John. And now it's canon. It is now canon. And I mean, how many planets do you think there are in this galaxy? I'm not even gonna guess I'll say nevermind. I'll say about 1500 3000.

Corey:

Very, very many. I don't know. But um, but we open up and we've got Obi Wan and Leigh are headed to a new planet Mapusa I think so. Yeah, it's a mining planet. And, and we start off Obi Wan is trying once again, to call to Qui Gon, which I think by the end of the show, we had speculated a little bit last week, I think we're gonna see some Qui Gon Jinn they very much set it up so that by the end I think

Brooksie:

we're gonna hear from I definitely agree with that. We'll definitely get either even if it's even if it's just a voiceover. We'll get a little bit of our favorite Liam Neeson character.

Corey:

I think you're right 100%. So

Tanner:

really, no voiceover would make sense because, as far as we know Qui Gon never finished his training as to how to commune with the living after he becomes one with the Force. Like we saw Yoda his whole journey with that when he goes to see to finally meet the wills in season six of Clone Wars. As far as we know, Qui Gon never finished his journey in that and that's why we only hear his disembodied voice at times.

Brooksie:

No, that definitely makes sense. That would wait that way we it keeps with the continuity of the Clone Wars series itself.

Tanner:

And the only reason why Yoda saw Qui Gon and that is because it was on Degas in a Dorkside Nexus because that's what the planet is. It's in that grove where Luke faces Vader and on Degas. That's the only way that He was able to see Qui Gon.

Brooksie:

Yeah, one of the only likewise, John says it's one of the only planets that has such a deep connection with the force, much like Mustafar that we know Daga and Mustafar is ones that I can think of Typhon has a deep connection with the forest, but it's very inaccessible just because of where it is and the deep core.

Tanner:

And also of course on because of the Dorkside nexus that the Jedi temple is built on top of to try to cover it up, the planets just sprouted up around it, so it's completely covered, but croissant does have a lot of that as well.

Brooksie:

That is true. I did forget that the temple was built over that

Corey:

makes me think of mortise when Qui Gon comes back as a force ghost only because the planet is like an entire nexus in the force basically.

Tanner:

And if you guys haven't figured it out, guys, this is where it name came from.

Corey:

Dorkside Nexus Yeah. Dorkside Nexus. Yeah. Lightning in a Bottle. I think.

Tanner:

How many names did we slip off that day? A lot. I mean, quite a few. We were just beat. We're like all of these suck all of these sucks. And I just messaged you. What about Dorkside? Nexus after you left?

Corey:

With Dorkside Nexus.

Tanner:

Do we really have to look back through like a year and a half worth of messages to try to find the truth? All I

Brooksie:

know is that I'm new here. So thanks for the warm welcome both of you. Mom and

Tanner:

Dad ers day. Mom and Dad are fighting Brooksie Okay,

Brooksie:

okay, I'll go up to my room and practice with the remote. Well form should I focus on today? Seven. Excellent. That's perfect. Because you know, I prefer more of the Sith forms anyway.

Corey:

I'll be in my room making no noise and pretending I don't exist. Sorry, Harry Potter references. No, that

Brooksie:

was good. I like that. Yeah, the topic. Yeah. So

Tanner:

back to Kenobi now we get p the automated shipment transport that he was on, they land on Mapusa is the name of the planet sounds like MACUSA like the Magical Congress of the United States of America in Fantastic Beasts.

Corey:

You know, there's a guy on the team named Ted Hitchcock. And when you say his name real fast, it sounds like a 10 inch cock.

Tanner:

Fight. Are you sure Z?

Corey:

Oh, no. So as short as these really really good It's stuck in my head.

Tanner:

For Okay, fine. Still golf on the shores the tangent. The whole thing is just amazing. Especially because Jared key so plays him with the dip in his mouth the whole time. And he's just

Brooksie:

I guess I get to sit down and watch the show now.

Tanner:

Have you watched Letterkenny? Yeah, I've watched it. Okay. Yeah, you need to watch your back to Obi Wan guys.

Corey:

So they're on Mapusa they're headed to the place that Hajah sent them so that they could meet their contact. Exactly. They get out into the desert. You know Obi ones, at this point? Not very trusting of anything at all. He's kind of like, Oh, I'm gonna get there. Probably. Nobody's probably coming. This is useless. What are we doing out here? And last kind of being exactly who lay is she's been like, the optimistic. I'm sure they wouldn't send us out here for no reason. Like,

Tanner:

I mean, literally, the moment they get to the rendezvous point, Obi ones like nobody's here. This was a trick like brah I thought you were the one that taught patients to Anakin.

Corey:

Yeah, it's not like you guys called ahead so that you can meet at exactly the same time, like might take a minute for somebody to realize, oh, yeah, that's right. We supposed to go meet those. Those two people that are being transported to this planet,

Brooksie:

just because it's a galaxy far, far away. There's still time to get between point A and point B. So it's not going to be like right now. Now you gotta have patience. Patience will be one

Corey:

is that and he's always telling Anakin that and it's nice to see in a world where Obi Wan doesn't have an Anakin. He's a little impatient now,

Tanner:

but also just before they arrived to the meeting point, he sees a vision of Anakin standing, staring off back at him in the distance is like Jedi Anakin,

Corey:

which I did not actually connect that that was Anakin the first time I saw it, I was

Tanner:

neither did I neither did I they do a really good job of keeping the camera so it's far enough away in the robe obscures it enough. It takes a second watch to see it. Yeah,

Brooksie:

I did my first my first date well, and she

Tanner:

special. Yeah, a little bit.

Corey:

Once you got 4k. You see his face and all those K's.

Brooksie:

Yeah, yeah, I do have 4k. Oh, I'm jelly.

Corey:

But I actually I thought it was one of from Rogue One. One of the guys that like takes care of Vader in his castle. Oh, the wrinkly old

Brooksie:

guy. Yeah, he's he's a hooded figure. I can't remember his name, but he works very closely with Palpatine and masa Mita. I think that's his name. and essentially he's he's very high up in Imperial command

Corey:

is very tied in. That's what I was like. Oh, that's a random guy to throw in there. No offense to Hayden Christensen I'm sorry for confusing you for an old guy.

Tanner:

Yes, Chosen One we apologize. So,

Corey:

so they're wandering through the desert and then they come across. Just, I don't know farmhand like

Tanner:

a transport like a transport that Yeah. And lay as the one who's very much like, let's go get his attention and it'll be once like, stop, stop for the love of God. Stop and he's like, it'll be fine. Stop what you're doing. I'll be one we're gonna be fine, Ben.

Corey:

And he's like, they come across a friendly enough alien guy with like a mole a mole with like a weird octopus mouth thing voiced by good old Zach Braff from? Oh, no, I'm blanking on the shows on Comedy Central, but it was more sad than funny. Scrubs, scrubs. He's JD,

Tanner:

I didn't. I didn't catch really? I didn't catch that. No, that's cool.

Corey:

That's that's good to know. Provide the voice of that guy. And he seems like you know, just a regular old blue collar driving around like, my name is Frank all take you guys around, where are you from? And right from the get go, he's a little bit suspicious.

Tanner:

He's a little bit suspicious, especially when they climb in the back and you just see the Imperial insignia

Brooksie:

a year. And then later on, we find out that he's just a usual transport for average, everyday stormtroopers, and they know him by his first name. And you just seeing him have that type of relationship. It's like, oh, no, that's not good.

Corey:

I was. So the Stormtroopers are out in the middle of the desert looking for a Jedi. They have no idea what Jedi even look like. They're just out in the desert looking for people. Here's two strange people, and they're just like, okay, yeah, you guys seem pretty normal.

Tanner:

And then Obi Wan Boches their cover story he does. He's

Corey:

so worried about layup or Luma messing up the story. He ends up getting a little

Tanner:

he called drops her name layout. They're

Corey:

doing layup

Tanner:

Yeah, name drops Lane was Luma. And then he bounced back really quickly. He did really well with that. That was her mother's name. I get confused. Sometimes.

Corey:

I love that. You can see that he is thinking of Padma again when he's looking at her talking about Yeah, you know, when I look at her, I see her mother.

Tanner:

Exactly. Um, one other. Well, the next point in that conversation after the stormtroopers leave, I lay it looks up at him and says, Are you my father? And he responds I wish I could say that I was now I mad at the Internet and I'm mad at anyone who confuses this with Oh yeah, I stumped for your mom like no, he's comforting a 10 year old child who is going through the worst experience of her fucking life.

Corey:

I mean, I sim for Queen mommy dolla, but

Brooksie:

boy, oh boy. Here we go.

Tanner:

Cory Cory put your pants back on put your pants back on.

Brooksie:

Ladies and gentlemen, this is not safe for work moment. So

Corey:

Dorkside Nexus is now in NSFW

Brooksie:

by now have to be 18 plus in order to listen, please stand by

Tanner:

I almost just spit water all the way across the studio and into quarry and my and Brooksie and all the mics I would have made it even more NSFW

Brooksie:

oh our poor equipment. We are experiencing technical difficulties please be patient as we get the network back online.

Corey:

So there's an amazing conversation on the transport between the two. They get to the checkpoint and drop off the stormtroopers and Obi Wan is like can we get out here and and F Brack was his name which is a nice you know, blue collar you know Fred Rick Breck put them together Yeah,

Brooksie:

yeah, typical Yeah, exactly. All

Tanner:

did not catch on to that just

Corey:

kind of like an average Joe kind of name and space and brings him to the checkpoint and he's like just a normal you know thing and he tells the stormtroopers like you might want to check out these two and then we get a little bit of a little bit of action in our Kenobi show we got a little fight

Tanner:

looks much better with a blaster looks much better with a blaster and the next mile and the next and

Corey:

he fights a lot better. You can tell he's getting more comfortable with the idea of having to use that as his as his primary weapon.

Tanner:

Yes. And yeah, he takes out basically a whole little mini platoon of Stormtroopers and then another one shows up,

Corey:

hang out let's talk about the Stormtrooper he. He hits and then falls right into the laser laser gate. Yeah, that was really cool. people no matter what,

Tanner:

but it's also the first time since the Disney takeover, we've seen a dismemberment is it really Think about that we even in Ahsoka in Mandalorian when Ahsoka shows up and she slices the dude in half in front of the bell, they obscured the whole thing.

Brooksie:

That is true. I just thought I thought you could see it, but maybe I don't. Yeah, I think you're right.

Corey:

I mean, we have all kinds of guys hand off in the first episode, but that's that's not like full on like, have

Tanner:

no it's not. I mean, yeah, this I think this is the first real dismemberment we've seen in the Disney properties other than Canaan's eyes. But that was that was a more of a cartoon. Yeah, that was just basically Oh, look, I touched the lightsaber to your eyeballs. Oh,

Brooksie:

who knew that would hurt? Yeah, but that's that's definitely the lighter experience that we saw in that episode, episode three, because later on what will mention this, it does seem to get more intense. In regards to what happens

Corey:

is very dark and very dark as we go. Well,

Tanner:

once those stormtroopers show up, they basically have Obi Wan dead to rights. And all of a sudden the Imperial officers that swept them just guns them all down from behind, which

Corey:

my immediate thought was, I'm the spy from from rise of Skywalker. Yeah, very similar. Like it was.

Tanner:

It was kind of too on the nose. Yeah,

Brooksie:

yeah, I agree. I definitely see that

Corey:

but then she goes on to say like you weren't at the place to meet like what happened to you? And it'll be ones like, oh, well, sorry. Got a little impatient there.

Tanner:

And then she takes him back to the outpost or town or whatever it is and brings them into a droid workshop that's fully automated where we meet the lifter dread. Does anyone here remember his designation

Brooksie:

Ned? Something I think I want to say it might be Ned Ned be yours.

Tanner:

That'd be sounds right.

Corey:

Bigsby Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide reference.

Tanner:

I that just that was locked so far back in my brain

Brooksie:

memory unlocked.

Corey:

Or welcome little a little a little achievement.

Brooksie:

That's exactly what I'm

Corey:

Ned be and if you look, because, you know, I'm always looking in the background of those scenes. There's be one battle droid parts. Yeah, all over that place a bunch of references. But you find out that her name is taller. Her name is Talia. She's actually she was. She's an actress from the show Rome and Game of Thrones. So she's she's no stranger to like, big budget kind of things. She Yeah, I believe. Yeah, there's a family member of Pedro Pascal's character.

Brooksie:

Yes, she is in Game of Thrones, Pedro Pascal's character. There they are in a family member in the Game of Thrones show. Essentially. I can't remember the his character's name, but Pedro fights against the mountain have Thor Bjornsen and essentially uses a spear. As my a lot more agile, he gets poisoned, and then the mountain jumps on top of him and like crushes his eyes. And she just screams and terror amidst the whole fight, which is extremely gruesome.

Corey:

And why he now wears a helmet and all of his other shows.

Brooksie:

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Tanner:

Yeah. But she brings him back into the secret hole in the in the secret hidey hole of the droid workshop where you learn that this is just a stop on what's called the path where they smuggle both former Jedi and force sensitive beings to Jabeen where they create new identities for them and get them into hiding. And we have a really cool reference that I freaked out. And Cory did I'm Brooksie Oh,

Brooksie:

absolutely. Just hearing the name alone. I was like, Oh, that's awesome. Just

Tanner:

go in and was here. Yeah, there's carvings on the wall of everyone that's passed through and he instantly recognizes Quinlin writing and his saying what was it something

Corey:

on their eyes are closed, you can see the way or something? Yes, is the way something like that? Do you know the way

Tanner:

and it was just so cool, because that's the first reference to to Queensland and a movie. Yes, we know that he's supposed to be in the background on tattooing and Phantom Menace. And he's like sitting at one of the tables there. But

Corey:

they that was one of those. Back in the day. They were doing the comic runs where they were trying to build off of the Star Wars that existed, which wasn't a whole lot. We had the six movies and that's it. They had I believe it was called Tales of the Jedi. And it was a whole comic series about Quinlan Vos is one background character, and he's one of the coolest Jedi characters. I remember there's a lot of comics that were dope.

Tanner:

What I liked about this when like him recognizing Quinlan is that was there is that in Clone Wars and on the mission that they go on, he doesn't really get along with Quinlan.

Brooksie:

No, not at all they're they're fighting. They're going back and forth with the entirety of the mission. Yeah,

Tanner:

he they very much Obi Wan is very by the book. This is the way we should do it and Quinlan is basically like, fuck yeah party hombre. Let's do it this way.

Corey:

And I feel like Obi Wan sees a lot of like, potential Anakin and Quinlin and he's like, can't take it.

Tanner:

Cory, you'll understand this reference Quinlan does. He gives you Glenn Close vibes from dungeons and daddies.

Corey:

There's probably a bad dad. I think. Is he a bard?

Tanner:

I don't know. But like his his demeanor like I don't know why I picked when I pictured Glenn Close from the dungeons and daddies podcast. Quinlin comes to my mind. I don't know why. Like, that's what I physically see in my head.

Corey:

I'm having a hard time picturing it. Fine. But But Quinlan is a great character. There's a book Dark Disciple, which I highly recommend is a story about what happens to the character of Quinlan Vos and Asajj Ventress. After the Clone Wars, it was supposedly supposed to be a couple of episodes that we're going to be in season seven, but they got scrapped. And it's a great story. And it's great because it shows that some of the characters that you know that us like nerd fans care about are still around, they're not shown, but they're still around. And I believe in one of the Vader comics, there's an aura bash, Vader's like looking through a list of Jedi that are known to be survivors and Quinlan Vos is on that list too. So but

Tanner:

he actually yes, it's like the very it's like the Canon run of Vader just after he gets in the suit. Bleeding is crystal and whatnot, and he looks for a Jedi, a specific Jedi who's taken the bearish bow because he knows that the Jedi who's taken the bearish vow will be disconnected from what's going on in the order. Yes. So we get that reference and then shit hits the fucking fan. Real quick.

Brooksie:

Like I said earlier, it gets very dark. We get our we get our favorite sith lord to appear on this, okay, we see we see Darth Vader appear on this tiny, just little village. And just behind him are the Inquisitors and a few squads of Stormtroopers. And just Vader is just picking apart these people one by one well,

Tanner:

before he starts picking them apart. He just starts walking down the street and everyone's terrified. And before he even pops up on screen, we get my new favorite thing in Star Wars when when a Sith Lord makes comes into the picture. Everyone just like who's sensitive to the force just gets that shutter and sheer coldness running through them. You see it on Obi one's face, you just watch them turn around and go. Just at the presence of Vader being there. And he just stares out at Vader and watches him walk down the street and tells layup and Tala to go get her get layup out of here. And you can tell with a moment that Vader senses Obi Wan because he Obi Wan flinches, and Vader's head turns towards the door. And that's when Vader just starts butchering civilians, literally grabbing them out of the house breaking their neck, choking another one out dragging another one behind him all putting on a show for his former master and friend Obi Wan Kenobi.

Corey:

And there's nothing more to say that was one of the coolest scenes the way that they shoot Vader the way that there's there's a shot of just his cape billowing behind him on the sand. Yeah. I love that. It's a simple small thing, but the way that they they they play on Vader being like one of the scariest villains in cinema history. He's back baby.

Tanner:

It's Vader from the comics and Rogue One is what we get.

Brooksie:

Yes, yes, absolutely. Because the one the one we get in Rogue One at the very end is just he's brutal. No mercy. And then in the comics, same thing, just one or 2% Cold. Absolutely no mercy because he knows that. You know, he just marked merciless.

Tanner:

Well, Obi Wan er, then runs to lead them away from land, Tala and leads him to a sandpit, essentially, in quarry. You said this, it wasn't that impressive set of a set.

Corey:

It was all right. It wasn't like the flowing lava rivers of Mustafar. But

Tanner:

you could tell it was just a random sandpit that they filmed in at night.

Corey:

Yeah, and, and that's something that I have bumped into the show is sometimes this setting kind of pulls me out like there are moments where I can tell there in the volume, you can see Where it switches from, like practical set to volume?

Tanner:

Well, not only that, but I noticed and I saw it online. This doesn't quite have a real Starwars feel if that makes sense, because let's go back to Episode Four and let's and return to the Jedi when we're on tattooing. You see aliens everywhere, and in the first two episodes of connote in Kenobi, you don't really see a ton of aliens everywhere.

Corey:

I see that as them trying to make like as many visual give as many visual cues that there's a transition happening between the prequel period and the originals. Okay, but you're right. And even in the originals, there are a lot more alien creatures and okay, and all that. Okay, maybe because this is a mining planet, it's mostly human, or there's a reason. But yeah, no, I agree.

Brooksie:

Do do we know like, Where specifically this this planet is? In regards to the galaxy mega

Tanner:

RAM. It said,

Brooksie:

a lot of a lot of human based worlds pretty much. I mean, obviously, there's humans all over the galaxy. And but the mid rim is kind of like where things kind of get more diluted as you get further out into the outer rim. It's more extraterrestrial, but

Tanner:

even on tattooing, which we know is an outer and planet. In the first episode, we didn't see a ton of aliens about you saw mostly humans. So small critique doesn't quite feel like Star Wars because of that, but at the same time, it still does so tiny, tiny miniscule critique.

Corey:

Back to the uninspired gravel pit. There's there's this feeling of like, Friday, the 13th Jason Vorhees NISS that they add to Vader, but I like it when he's chasing after Obi Wan. I like it. I like a good like, you turn a corner and all of a sudden there's the like seven foot tall bad guy.

Tanner:

Well, that Yeah, exactly. You The scene opens with Obi Wan running into the pit and then you just hear and see the lightsaber Ignite and Vader standing there. And Obi Wan just kind of looks at his lightsaber looks up and just like runs off screen, which is funny. It is it's kind of it's funny, but it also the fear in Obi Wan is palpable. You can feel it just watching the scene. Oh yeah,

Corey:

no, he's straight up Fuck this shit on mouths. He was gone.

Tanner:

Well, I love this because this is like the fight. Everyone says, Oh, this can't be the fight. I'm like, No, this is not the fight that everyone's referencing in between Vader and Kenobi This is the fight of a broken and battered Obi Wan Kenobi who has not touched the force in 10 years not touched a lightsaber in 10 years, dealing with the baddest man in the galaxy.

Corey:

This is Vader is essentially walking up to the Obi Wan that he would hope to find like what Maul describes as a rat in the desert in Rebels. He's very wrong in that instance, but at this point, Obi Wan is very much he's broken. He has no confidence in himself. He doesn't want to fight Anakin now but he also like is not going to try and save Anakin at this moment. Well he's just trying to get out of there

Tanner:

we get a lot a great tiny bit of dialogue between the two of them and it was what happened to you what if you become an invaders responses? I am what you made me and like chills literal chills when I heard that line because yeah, Obi Wan did forge Vader for lack of a better yeah, it was Palpa teens. Puppet mastering Yeah, machinations.

Corey:

And Vader even says to Obi Wan during that fight you should have killed me when you had the chance.

Tanner:

Insert a data remember lyrics here? Great song. So don't don't hate me for dropping that. What do you think? Brooksie What did you think of the the fight?

Brooksie:

So, again, yes. It's not the fight, not the fight. We will get that at some point. For sure. They basically we're just setting up the fact that Obi Wan has been disconnected from the forts for 10 years. And he has just been doing an average every day day to day type lifestyle and is like, I don't know what I'm doing. Like, I don't I shouldn't use my lightsaber because I don't even know how to go back to the forums I was taught under Qui Gon. I don't know how to use the Force properly. Like, I was like, obviously we saw him rescue layup and lift her up, but not to an extent where he can, you know, use like a force push or pull or anything. Anything stronger than that. Um, The just the fact that he was pushed almost against the wall by Vader.

Tanner:

Oh Vader crumpled him much like Dooku does and the prequels I mean, that's not to say that well, we'll be ones always been crumpled when it comes to force attacks. He's always had that weakness he does not have that, that force barrier that to the level of other Jedi. Right from episode one we see that just crumbled anytime someone hits him with a push or tries to grab him. He gets crumpled. Because he's not the most powerful Jedi. He's just one of those people that has committed himself so much he became a master because of his practice and his time to the art.

Corey:

Now that he's out of that practice Vader pretty much one hands him the entire fight, right?

Tanner:

Which Yes, he one hands on, but that's also Vader's fighting.

Corey:

That's also very much how Vader would take out anybody but, you know, in full form Obi Wan Kenobi versus mechanized Vader who is in the pain of the suit and everything. And he's a different fight,

Tanner:

I think. Yes. So the fight ends in a very kind of math way. A lot of people have said, and I agree that it's math, but it's, I think, for the narrative, it works and it makes sense. So Vader, crumbles, Obi Wan, and then lights the

Corey:

not ever there.

Brooksie:

Looks like some type of crystal,

Tanner:

some type of or he takes his lightsaber and lights it on fire and then just drags Obi Wan through it,

Corey:

which the imagery of Vader's helmet and the fire in the foreground told me to return to the Jedi. Yep. When he when he you know ultimately comes back

Tanner:

and then the screams of pain from Obi Wan pull you back to Revenge of the Sith. With the screams of pain emanating from Anakin

Corey:

it's a nice homage to the past while at the same time being a great predictor of the future. It's like poetry.

Tanner:

Well rhyme, Vader basically snuffs out the fire or the force push and pushes Obi Wan back and tells a stormtrooper to go grab them. Which, man I don't know how I feel about that. But I guess it kind of makes sense. It's it's kind of lording over Obi Wan I'm better than you look at these people obey my every whim, which is very Anakin Skywalker. Yes. And so there's that, but then Talas in the background and fires a shot and reignites the flames in front of Obi Wan invader invader are just stairs there just stands there and stairs. And while Tala and her loader droid, pick up Obi Wan and take him to take him touch a beam. Now, I understand why people have problems with the scene. I get it. And you guys we talked about it earlier that people thought Oh, they've made it so Anakin and that Vader is afraid of fire now that's just

Brooksie:

stupid.

Tanner:

That's not the case. That's not the case at all.

Brooksie:

No, no, no. He built a fortress on Mustafar in the comics, and that we've seen in Wroclaw,

Tanner:

he's fighting his yes suit. His suit is resistant to fire. We've literally seen him on Mustafar coming out of the lava multiple times. You know he can survive in the vacuum of space. It's only a week to lightning Palpatine did this on purpose. His suit is only weak to light. Yes,

Corey:

exactly. was watching them put on the suit. In this episode, you see exactly why like it is inside him.

Tanner:

Yeah, his control panel literally is just massive lag bolts just going into his stomach

Corey:

plugged into his body. Yeah.

Tanner:

So and Obi Wan gets away while Vader just stares over the flames. I don't view this as he's afraid of fire. I view this as two things. One, the conflict of Vader and Anakin is bubbling up in that moment and as he stares at Obi Wan and you in that they do a really good job making this a possibility because of how much the camera focuses on Vader's helmet at this point to Vader doesn't go after him because he wants to make Obi Wan suffer. He wants to take everything from a mentally and physically. So he's letting him go because he wants another chance to take everything from him. He mentally wants to destroy Obi Wan before he kills him because in his eyes, that's what Obi Wan did to him. And he's had 10 years to plan his revenge and it wasn't going the way he wanted to

Corey:

wasn't satisfied.

Brooksie:

My take is he wasn't satisfied with the fight at all. And he just was like, You know what, you're not at your peak. I'm gonna let you go for now.

Tanner:

I mean, I could see that but for me, I'm gonna say no on that one.

Brooksie:

Okay, his

Corey:

flash forwarding his reaction in Episode Four. Makes me feel like maybe he isn't as willing to let Kenobi get away because he does say like, yeah, we'll get to It's all about Kenobi. In that episode, he speaks to a character that we have left out so far, but that we will get into in a minute.

Tanner:

Yep. Because so the episode ends with Riva capturing layer. And then we're fast now, we're gonna jump right into Episode Four because it basically takes off from there. We open up with Obi Wan dealing with his burns and thrown in a bag to the tank. We just watched this episode. We haven't watched it twice. So we don't have we might be fuzzy on things because we got so excited.

Corey:

Well, I just want to go back and make sure that we talked about in episode three, Riva and Vader have a couple I just want interaction, just one just one interaction. But we see that Vader is he has his eye on the third sister. You know we we see that she's ambitious in those first two episodes. Now we see that like even Vader's like, you're ambitious. Okay, but if you screw up, I will slice and dice you will no hesitate. Yeah.

Tanner:

You will not live to regret it, you know? Absolutely were his words, and her machinations are to become the Grand Inquisitor to be Vader's. Second, essentially,

Corey:

yes. And I like how there's the scene where she's blaming Kenobi for the Grand Inquisitor. Grand Inquisitor getting stabbed, and Vader's like, I don't care. I don't care about the Grand Inquisitor. Like you can be the one just get Kenobi. Yep. And then and she goes back, and we see that her and the Fifth Brother are having some power struggle issues going on.

Tanner:

And I really liked this dynamic because we saw the Fifth Brother and rebels and we get to see a little bit more background on him, which is cool. But I think we should jump into Episode Four before my happy ass forgets it.

Corey:

Yes. Fair enough.

Tanner:

I mean, I thought it was really cool. The back of the tank when they put Obi Wan in the back of the tank.

Corey:

And they're showing shots going back and forth between him in the tank and Vader in the tank. Yeah, showing those parallels

Brooksie:

as well as having him quote what he said to Ben in their fight, as well. I can't I'm drawing a blank on what exactly Vader says.

Tanner:

Well, if he's watching the scene, I instantly saw that that he's reaching out through the forest torment Kenobi because he knows he's alive. He's using his connection in the forest to mentally torment Kenobi in the back of the tank. Yes. You see that in his eyes his eyes are wide open in the back to tank and he's just like focusing and the shots that they do in the tank are awesome

Corey:

I'll have to watch that again. I didn't I didn't that wasn't my take as I was watching I thought it was just like Kenobi really like in his own mind thinking about that getting messed up but I can totally buy that

Tanner:

so we're under beam right guys at this point? Yeah. And basically it's just a rat they were taken to a ragtag group of not rebels but you see some

Brooksie:

just some type of like movement who are against the Imperial

Tanner:

Yeah, it's very much got the rebel show vibe where it's like looks like the start of a sect.

Brooksie:

Cell it's definitely a cell of rebels

Corey:

Absolutely. Saga is partisans and the rebels and then whatever these guys the Jedi

Tanner:

helpers. sympathise Yeah, that that basically run the path that we learned about and I didn't like the scene too much because it was so quick. I think I looked at you and said something well, that that was quite convincing of Obi Wan trying to help get convinced him to help him go get layup on Nour.

Brooksie:

Oh, it was it was trying to convince I guess the leader and he basically came the leader was like, I had a wife once who was force sensitive, and then the Imperials in the Inquisitors Kelder the the Inquisitor is killed there and then just he says something and then he's looks at Kenobi says, I'll help you out.

Corey:

Say what you want about these guys being a small little possible rebel cell, you they knew exactly what was up with the inquisitors. They knew exactly where Vader was or where he wasn't that they knew he wasn't on most of

Tanner:

Yeah, and I would have to say I chalk some of that up to Tala being an imperial off and undercover Imperial officer so she's able to feed information to them

Brooksie:

so there probably is more than just her in Imperial like deep cover. Yeah,

Corey:

she said that she she did start to feel disillusioned by the Empire which very quickly I very much like stories that do that,

Tanner:

especially our favorite book loss stars or favorite canon book that have you read that yet, but

Brooksie:

I am listening to Outbound Flight right now. I will make that my next book.

Tanner:

You really should. And my only critique of that book is the ending is very just like you can tell that they were trying to wrap like that Claudia Gray was basically given a deadline as to where to end when to end the book and where to end it. So they wrap it up very quickly but the whole story is unbelievable.

Brooksie:

Yeah, I will definitely have to look into reading that. I think Corona squadron.

Corey:

Corona is canon. Oh, Thane Cairo. Yeah, no Lost Stars is an amazing book everything that Claudia Gray has done in the Star Wars canon. Amazing books and I highly recommend them Yeah, master and apprentice law stars.

Brooksie:

Yeah, I read other ones I really liked master and apprentice that was Daniel like no book

Tanner:

you'll like last stars. I also into the darker higher public novel was phenomenal to one of

Corey:

my favorite of the high Republic. The the few things that I have read that are high Republic that was my favorite. It was

Tanner:

my favorite as well. And it's just goes to show you Claudia Gray understands Star Wars at an at a in my opinion. And Dave Filoni ask level like for writing a book. She understands the concepts of it.

Corey:

She also did one called bloodline, which is about Laya. And what happens when the Galaxy finds out that Vader was her father, amazingly intriguing book, as it's not like the most action packed one. But it's nice to see like, especially you know, the more we're going back and learning about layers past, the more I'm interested in, you know what happens between

Brooksie:

Yeah, so it's more of like layers history. Yeah, essentially. That's that's definitely good, because all we know is that she's an imperial senator from Alderaan. We know she's an Higgins and Padma his daughter, Luke's Luke's twin sister. That's it. Like, a lot of the original trilogy is like Luke train and become a Jedi, and Leia and Han and Chewie. And Lando, I'm speaking in regards to Episode Five, but it's just them running from the Empire. That's uh, we don't really see her doing. Not Not anything, but she's she's doing like, very little, at least in the original trilogy, but that's not essentially a bad thing

Corey:

either. It's just very interesting to see a layup that when the fighting is done when the war is over what happens when she actually has to, like be a politician again? Yep, yes, yes. In a political system that is also Friday new.

Tanner:

Yeah. Well, guys, we need to get back to now.

Corey:

Back to kid Leia, who has been kidnapped by Riva at the end of the third episode. Rivas interrogating her trying to get the information

Tanner:

the how do you is it the Sanctum inquisitorial is its fortress inquisitorial fortress inquisitorial on the planet in there, which is in the Mustafar system. I love that they like confirmed that because it was only speculated from the Fallen order hollow hollow map

Corey:

I think they mentioned it like in a comic book once or twice you've seen Iron and like an establishing shot but it's nice to see these things introduced in other canon finally on screen it looks so good.

Tanner:

Episode Four is basically another rescue mission for Leia with Kenobi they Tala and him go to nurse and they have to infiltrate nerf to the fortress in order to get lay it back. And we talked about this off air. They have not up security on this goddamn fucking fortress in five years.

Brooksie:

Yeah, no, they thanks to Cal Casitas. And just just what happened, you know, five years ago, you would think that they would at least make the windows I don't know, either stronger, or at least use metal that way, you know, oh, the blaster at the window. Well, now we're going to close down this hole laying or this whole hallway.

Tanner:

Well, not only that, but Obi Wan gets in the exact same way. Kyle gets in, swims in and just pops up into through like a little opening into the water. Yep. I mean exact same way for Christ's sake. Where is the security the Empire has all of the galaxies money? What are we doing with it? Come on guys. Those taxes gotta be going somewhere.

Brooksie:

Star Destroyers that can't afford

Corey:

a camera system. Come on.

Brooksie:

I made they put some at least on the Deathstar closed loop and that's fair. But as we know what happens with

Corey:

that Lucan show? Yeah.

Tanner:

No, but he gets in the exact same way. And you know, it's a show, it's television, it's a movie. Those sorts of things happen where it's like Tala basically takes out a officer in the surveillance room. 20 feet away from people and no one hears it and

Brooksie:

you can you can literally hear the guy like, real quickly going, Ah, like just, okay, somebody had to have heard that. I'm

Corey:

like in the equivalent of a library like everybody's just using the computers. Someone's getting choked out around the corner behind a bookcase. Be quiet. I'm

Brooksie:

trying to do my work.

Corey:

I have a lot of empirical data to

Brooksie:

teach a four to one needs his new helmet right now. And if he doesn't get his helmet, or his new blaster, or his new, just yeah, it's just ridiculous. Just, oh, well,

Tanner:

well, before they arrived on there, there was a really a scene of Obi Wan trying to pull his comlink tomb using the Force. And Tala says, You need to forget the past, essentially to him in order to heal. And he says, there's just some things you can't forget. And I think that again, this is proving the point that the theme of this show is to bring Obi Wan from the depressed Obi Wan Kenobi that arrives on tattooing to the hopeful Old Ben Kenobi in a new hope that when he goes off with Luke, He has hoped for the Galaxy again, because you see him slowly pulling it toward the comlink towards him. And as he's going on his Secret Invasion of the fortress, inquisitorial as you start to see him use the force more and apply the force.

Corey:

And we motivated Yeah, because he's protecting someone.

Tanner:

Exactly. I said it earlier in is that I think that in episode three, he was still his connection to the Force was still so foreign to him again, that that's why he just gets up looks like an absolute champ with his lightsaber and you see it when he holds it that he doesn't really know what it doesn't feel familiar to him. As we move through episode four. You see him apply the force again. And she

Corey:

does like the same thing he does in Episode Four with the stormtroopers just kind of makes a sound somewhere else.

Tanner:

Yeah, like clunk, like uses the Force to make a clunking sound somewhere else to get past them. So I think we're starting to see that journey of Obi Wan rediscovering what it's like to be in touch with the force again.

Corey:

And, sorry, I don't want to interrupt but that actually just really brought something to the forefront of my mind is in Star Wars, as well as a lot of other fictional stories. There's the idea of something very close to a baptism. A lot of times it happens Luke when Luke gets taken underwater in the trash compactor by the Dialga. In some of the stories that's called like his force baptism, the dialogo is actually a force sensitive creature that

Brooksie:

oh, yeah, definitely makes sense. That tracks Kylo

Corey:

Ren when he's fighting re, and he turns back into Ben, he's washed over by the water and the second Death Star he's reborn.

Tanner:

I never caught on that.

Brooksie:

That's definitely yeah,

Corey:

we won comes out of the back to tank. He's been and he is fully committed to protecting the children of Anakin Skywalker from Darth Vader.

Tanner:

Yeah. I never thought about that. That's a really cool theme that I'd never noticed happens in all of Star Wars.

Brooksie:

Yeah, that that's definitely it's something really, really good to point out. And maybe they'll keep keep that theme going as well. And future project.

Corey:

I hadn't thought about that until just then I'm like, oh, no,

Brooksie:

no, that's definitely sound. That sounds like a really good theme. And that's, that's definitely it makes sense to.

Corey:

And we're also past the halfway point of the show, so it makes sense. Obi Wan is hit that like that lowest point fighting Vader like this is my failure come to come to fruition. Yeah. And now is his like, Okay, I've done what I've done in the past. All I can do is now try to protect who I can moving forward.

Tanner:

Yeah, yep. Well, luckily, we actually got to see a part of the fortress that we didn't see and fall in order. And he would tell us on the comlink he's like, What do you see? And he goes, I found out what they're hiding here. And it's a tomb, essentially. And we see, they have all these dead force user for sensitives and Jedi. They're just locked

Brooksie:

there. One of which is terrace and NewBay. Master. Yeah, master terrace. NewBay. He's a he's a co CEO and Jedi Master, who helped Ahsoka look for her lightsabers during the Clone Wars.

Tanner:

Yeah, when they were stolen. He's the old Jedi with the cane and the white lightsaber. Okay, okay. Yep. I thought that was cool.

Corey:

I totally remember his name, but he did look very familiar. And then one of you said, was like, hey, that's the guy. Yep. So and then he goes through and he sees a bunch of other people so we're sure they're dead.

Brooksie:

Oh, they have to be dead. I mean, it looks like they're they're probably pretty trophies, stored preserved

Corey:

in embers on thing it didn't look like they were floating and back to cloning tanks

Brooksie:

are definitely not Carbonite. So it's it my best guess is their trophies so those

Corey:

are yeah exactly on potential future Inquisitor

Tanner:

well straight up shot like

Corey:

a young Ling yeah. Oh yeah.

Tanner:

Last shield and everything there which at that moment way is getting tortured by Riva because Leah has not given her any information I think my favorite line is reverse trying to pull the information out away and she's like what is this a staring contest? Yeah that was

Brooksie:

cool like she she did not back down and says you're strong

Tanner:

in reverse looking at her like you might be a little bitch.

Corey:

And then Lola was a little droid tries to tries to escape and pull some stuff and he was like, nope, I'll take that. Yeah, and so come into play later.

Tanner:

And as Les is getting tortured, Tala is initiating a distraction with on Riva token Oh, we can get in and I thought this was so cool that the torture chamber the torture room scene with Obi Wan in it

Brooksie:

and kills the lights. And it just it's it's quiet for just not like two seconds. And then all of a sudden we just see a blue lightsaber and immediately he starts getting the muscle memory back of the forms. And the other Stormtrooper, he actually sounded a little terrified the one that was still alive left

Tanner:

Yeah, cuz he ignites. The lightsaber kills the Stormtrooper and kills it and kills the lightsaber real quick, and then takes the other Stormtrooper out in the darkness as well.

Corey:

It reminded me of the episode in Mandalorian Season Two where we first meet Ahsoka. Yeah, and they're doing the same thing. Yes, scare tactics. See me up John Cena, the Jedi?

Tanner:

Yeah, no. Very, very cool. I like that. And Vader. I mean, Vader, Obi one grabs layup and they go to leave. And the whole platoon of Stormtroopers finds them because of secret droid catches them. And you again see as Obi Wan coming more in touch with himself and with the force again, he's returning to the Obi Wan of old. And in that hallway. I mean, he's basically surrounded and you just see him just able to deflect and keep and keep all the blaster bolts at bay and redirect him and whatnot. So he's slowly returning.

Brooksie:

He's definitely getting his confidence back as well as his youth and with the connection of the force as well. Sorry, you want to say something?

Corey:

No, I was agreeing with you. And also saying like, it's also very, very visually presented to you by the fact that he's wearing a full Jedi tunic again,

Brooksie:

if that's true, and what's great too is that when he when he fought against Vader, of course he felt the cold. But he had no confidence. He knew, you know, I haven't been doing this for 10 years. However, when he's in the fortress, inquisitorial he is going against a platoon of Stormtroopers versus when he was you know, he's trying to sneak around Be stealthy now. He's trying to be he he has his confidence back. He's blocking. He's blocking blaster bolts. He's using different form techniques, muscle memory, etc.

Corey:

Yes deflecting?

Tanner:

Yeah. Any accurately Yeah. And because of they're in a tight court or underwater, what happens

Corey:

eight cracks the glass with

Tanner:

a blaster bolt off the ground glass. Yep. And then we get the fall in order moment of the cracked glass. And he's holding it back with the forest and you see how hard it is again because he's out of practice with it. And he's telling Tala and lay it a go as the storm troopers are trying to come in through the door that had just closed and once they break through, he waits till the absolute perfect moment to release his hold on it and start letting it crack all the way down and lets the water rushing to kill them all. Now some people may say oh well they have armor that shouldn't that helped them from like drowning as quickly listen that water came in with such force it's snap their fucking nets are

Corey:

way under done.

Brooksie:

I do want to take note that we did get a pre a really good image of a purge Trooper

Tanner:

yes first live action purge Trooper

Corey:

it kind of looked a little different. It did not FaZe to the helmets

Brooksie:

did not have like the the Cologne engineer style where it has the just the very flat visor. It did look I did get a quick glimpse of it. It almost looked like a different version of like a death trooper. A little bit different but not exactly like a death drill,

Tanner:

which would make sense for five years after fallen order. So like yeah, it would make sense that things would change with their armor and stuff like that. And it also makes sense that maybe we're not seeing as many purge troopers anymore because it's five years after fallen order and they've taken out so many Jedi The course of these over the last decade that they had don't have as many trained for that specialization. Yep. We got a glimpse of the basically conference room of the inquisitors. The lightsabers? Yes.

Brooksie:

The how many there are

Corey:

a bunch of yeah, in that room that we see the grand Inquisitors chair and all the Inquisitors all the way around the rim of the room. There's a bunch of different lightsaber hilts that look like they've been kept as trophies. That's,

Brooksie:

that's definitely as trophies as well. That was a really nice

Corey:

little detail.

Tanner:

Yeah, you guys can catch that on my way. Guys are those lightsabers?

Brooksie:

What's interesting too, is that there's they're almost spaced evenly. And very quickly. It almost looks like there's some where they're leaving space open for other Jedi specifically,

Tanner:

I didn't catch that.

Brooksie:

There, there was one panel that had a space big enough to put a Jedi lightsaber in evenly. And it almost seems like with with Kenobi as the focus, I mean, they probably have confirmed that a few have died. Absolutely. But they're probably looking for not just ban, but they're probably hoping to find others like Master Yoda.

Corey:

They're typically 12 members of the Jedi Council. Yes, there were more

Brooksie:

I mean, um, there's not just Jedi council members. I'm sure we're talking like very powerful other Jedi, you know, Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters not Yeah.

Corey:

My first thought was like, maybe it was the council but then canabis Anakin was on the council, so they'd need his Yodas Mace Windu ones that I'm pretty sure. Very gone.

Tanner:

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Which by the way, I want to see that story of like, everyone's like, Oh, Mesa is coming back. Well, he could be dead. He could be alive. I want to see that story of the civilian who found his lightsaber on Corizon.

Corey:

Hey, looks at it. Probably Elon sleazebag. You know me a guy that Obi Wan does the you want to go home and rethink everything in my life. Wouldn't that be nice? Like a circle? Guy like Obi Wan like a great debt and like you saved my life. Thank you. Well,

Tanner:

that's funny. So Talla Obi Wan and Leya are leaving the hangar in disguise worse disguise worse disguise.

Corey:

Yeah,

Brooksie:

it almost looks like two kids standing in a giant trenchcoat. I'm like, oh, that like there's no way anybody's buying

Corey:

that's not an imperial that's to Jedi in a trench cut.

Tanner:

Well, exactly. And also, I'm pretty sure like in if you're an imperial you have to be like super clean shaven. So nobody notices that really shaggy dude running around.

Brooksie:

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. That guy's got a beard. That's against protocol.

Corey:

Yeah. Speaking of Imperials, the one that gives Tala lip when she's like trying to get in and do our code thing. Do we think that's a guy of relation to general Hawks? Oh, not that every gender in Star Wars is related to the only other one that we've seen? Because we know Brendel hawks in Cannon Hawks. His father was like, ruthless and I wouldn't be surprised if maybe he got his start or early career, but I was feeling it fortress inquisitorial.

Tanner:

It kind of sounds like a lovely vacation spot. Well, Obi Wan and Tala and Les are instantly basically found because Reba comes in with a full garrison of troopers and with the Fifth Brother and they're running away and they're just kind of like actually dead to rights caught and then what do we get come flying in.

Brooksie:

We get our favorite well, they are called Snow speeders but speeder?

Tanner:

Yeah, to speeders come flying in and start blasting up the fortress and corps crews notorious to help them get away and they get away but the second speeder got taken down and I thought it was badass how it got taken down.

Corey:

I knew Wade was gonna die. I knew something and I was just like, Oh no, they said his name way too many times we're supposed to care about him.

Tanner:

Yeah. And how he dies I love how it's he's getting away and reefer just basically grabs the power cell or whatever it is the massive power cell and throws it out and throw it to explode in the air. And that's how he dies whereas the other gets away with Kenobi and Tala and layup and they get away to relative safety and of course they're like we didn't make it back and towels line well is well, you guessed your soldiers now.

Corey:

And then we flashback to a sir In Dark Lord of the Sith who is not happy that his former master escaped

Tanner:

oh my god, I thought this was the end of Riva

Brooksie:

says she was I?

Corey:

She thought so too.

Brooksie:

Yeah, she was she definitely thought she was over however, she did. She did play your cards right. And she did put a tracking device with Leila and Obi Wan

Tanner:

in Lola. And she says that Vader just as he's about to kill her and he's like, I've underestimated you.

Corey:

Which I totally called that it was Lola

Tanner:

moment there it was said that there's a tracker you knew it was in Lola you call that right off the bat? Because

Corey:

I'm trying to think like Where and When else would she have been able to put a tracker on any of them by Yeah, so that was kind of scary actually. That

Brooksie:

was impressive.

Tanner:

That was really good. I mean, Vader like coming in in like that even like put me in the back of my chair like oh shit, I like estimated but like I she was dead. She was dead as good as dead and like the Fifth Brother sitting there in his head like he killed the bitch

Brooksie:

she was so like, you messed around last time Rebbe. Now you're getting

Corey:

like, come on he's here and that is what it is. It's kind of scary seeing Vader like as a boss. Well, yeah, it is actually manager.

Tanner:

You see it instead of him just being like tear the ship apart. I want them alive in in A New Hope.

Corey:

And it even comes down to somebody says something. And Riva says Kenobi is the only one that matters. And Vader just like walks right up to her like Damn straight. Yep. Yeah, darn straight. Okay. Yeah, got my eye.

Tanner:

Exactly. I great episode like there wasn't feet. It was basically just over another rescue mission. But there was so many cool things that happened in it like seeing all the ones reconnection with the force. Terrifying Vader again. Love that shit. I love this episode.

Brooksie:

The episode was absolutely, like great in regards to just it's setting it setting it up for him reconnecting with the force and to what we might get an episode five and six. Yeah,

Tanner:

yep. Yeah, absolutely.

Corey:

I am looking forward to some like very new fresh stuff in these two episodes. Yes, it feels like they've done a lot of Star Wars tropes in these last three episodes, which I liked familiarity. I like keeping in, you know, in the universe, but yep. I mean, how many times can we have a Jedi lightside user character sneak into an unspeakable place?

Tanner:

Well, possible. They did not say that. It was unspeakable. They said he's like, even Obi Wan Right. Like there's no shields around it. And they're basically like, Yeah, cuz no one's dumb enough to go here.

Corey:

And the closer we are to danger, the farther we have from harm.

Brooksie:

That's the last thing Deluxe bags.

Tanner:

Fantastic. Fantastic. But all in all great episode. We want to just highlight it real quick. We are aware that Miss Marvel did drop today as well. We just didn't schedule time to talk about it or watch it before we decided to hop on the mic.

Corey:

I wasn't aware until these guys told me. I knew it was coming up. I just didn't know when but I will end up watching that probably. Tomorrow.

Brooksie:

Yes. So far. The reviews have said it's pretty good.

Tanner:

Yeah, you've got the typical bastards of the internet. Trying to yeah,

Brooksie:

probably just rolls Exactly. Marvel

Corey:

thing. When was the last bad Marvel thing? Well,

Brooksie:

I've noticed a lot. Yeah, yeah. I've noticed a lot lately. And this This happened with MLM a lot of people are just kind of like, oh, Marvel's running out of steam basically after endgame. That was it. They should have just stopped right there. I'm like, No, there's still so many different characters and heroes and villains that they could talk about, like, we got to see a lot of almost what if characters in this movie, we got to see, you know, black bold, we got to see John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic. I'm, I'm just saying that there's there people out there that are giving these shows a bad rep, and they probably haven't even watched it.

Tanner:

Look, look, let's go back to the beginning of phase two as they were trying to really start to tie everything together. It was Rocky, there were some times where it's like, how are they going to tie this together? Give them time, but they just finished the biggest thing they'd ever done, and they have to figure out how to moving forward piece everything together. I understand that but it's would they need time to really get it going. We all know, Feige had some big rich Meet with all the Marvel writers recently where they planned out the next 10 years or so Marvel product. Yep, so give it time. I'm not gonna sit there and discount it. I probably we probably won't cover Miss Marvel too too much not because of anything in particular other than just scheduling and stuff like that we will probably do an episode or two on it. Just because Kenobi is just got me fixated right now because I love me daddy Wan Kenobi. Oh, and daddy Vader.

Brooksie:

Oh boy.

Corey:

I still can't believe that Obi Wan remembers a potential brother. Bro Obi Wan Kenobi. Yeah, forgot

Tanner:

about that. From that from the conversation in episode three. Yeah, no, he he's like, I think I had a brother. I still remember my mother's shawl things like that. That was cool. All those hands you know? That was cool. That was really cool to get that

Corey:

and him talking to lay a reminds me of layup being like Lucasta and return to the Jedi. What do you remember if your mother just like yeah, lashes really? Exactly. That's

Brooksie:

exactly what I thought. Yeah. And when when he was referencing, it's almost as if the force sensitives when they're at a young age like that, as they get stronger. In the force, they almost the force almost is like listen, you know, you were training the Jedi. But here's a little snippet of like, what your family was like your your actual mother your actual father and you know for Obi Wan is you had a brother as well. You're you're from this planet, you know your mother shawl your father's hands etc. I just like how they're they're comparing it to that from Return of the Jedi.

Tanner:

I just want to highlight it again. They very much basically said Leia this whole time has known she has been adopted. Yeah, and I kind of liked that I kind of liked that it fits because they it plays into return to the Jedi. What do you remember of your mother? Those sort of things like obviously she ended as a newborn she shouldn't remember but because she for sensitive maybe she does. So I liked that that it it's like lay a no she's adopt Luke knows that his his aunt and uncle adopted him like there's I always just assumed that Bail Organa and his wife just raised her. You are our child. But now it's come clear that no, she's she knows she's adopted. It was never hidden from her. And I liked that really ties a lot of stuff together with the continuity in my opinion. It makes it fit in a really nice way. Like I mean, all in all, episode three and four of Kenobi guys, what do you think of him? Right now? Top of the hat. What do you rate him at?

Brooksie:

At attends what you mean? Yeah, both episodes? I would say definitely eight out of 10

Tanner:

Yes, I agree with that eight out of 10 for me as well for both episodes.

Corey:

I'd say about eight for episode three, maybe is seven and a half on this last one fell in love it too much. But it was good. It was a classic Star War romp.

Tanner:

I also think that again, we just watched it we don't have that because sometimes you and I have experienced this quarry when we just watched something and then go on to recording it's fuzzier than when we let sit on it for a minute

Corey:

so well, that's the thing that Star Wars has always been great on. I mean, it's been 45 years since A New Hope and it only gets better with every rewatch.

Tanner:

And then there's one movie that doesn't get better with every rewatch for me to movies, but

Corey:

Well, maybe you just need to rewatch them again. Oh, kiss my ass. Oh, The Last Jedi

Tanner:

and Raisa Skywalker.

Brooksie:

Ah, there's a guy who have a seething hatred for the anti trilogy.

Corey:

There's stuff to like I there's not much

Tanner:

I have a seething hatred for two thirds of that trilogy. Two thirds

Brooksie:

so the last two Yeah The Force Awakens is good

Tanner:

No, I will always say that it was so good and then like because of no direction from the top there was just like it got fumbled the ball got fumbled the quarterback handed it off to the running back to score the touchdown and he decided to go and get sacked for

Brooksie:

was in circles and then episode nine was basically a blank tackle and fumble

Tanner:

Yeah, exactly. That's my take on it

Corey:

but it's all Star Wars and there's still something to love in in all visually the best

Tanner:

movie hands down last Jedi is visually the most stunning Star Wars movie. Hands down. Don't don't like it. I can say that I can and again, people are doing it right now the same thing they did with Rose where they're kept putting so much hatred towards the actress that played that character. They're doing it with Riva I'm like shut the fuck up internet Yeah,

Corey:

I'm as Moses Ingram has done an amazing job with the character. It's just a character that didn't get a lot to do those first two episodes Exactly.

Tanner:

Stop playing so much shit towards these actors. It's not their fault. They're doing their job portraying the role that they're supposed to portray.

Corey:

I didn't tell the show is out. Yeah. Before you make your judgments on.

Tanner:

I did not like Riva in the first Two episodes, I said that I said that very clearly I do not like her. That being said, they're not making her more likable, but she they're giving her that arc to tie the character together. And that's what's needed.

Corey:

It's hard to have a likeable villain and Star Wars has always done a really good job about it. Yeah, it just takes a little while

Tanner:

exactly let the let it flush itself out. And this show does not suffer from anything, and does not suffer from what the sequel trilogy suffered from and that cohesion. This has cohesion, this has a backstory, and it's developing the characters.

Corey:

And that's something that Star Wars Celebration really hammered home is that they're really working on making this a shared connected universe, much like Marvel has been. They're aware that the ship may have been a little rocky when they first started. But yeah, with Vilonia at the helm. I think we're going to I think we're going to have Yeah, avoid a couple of icebergs here. Like he

Tanner:

wasn't super involved in the series, but I'm sure they said hey, this is the story we're going to tell and he's probably like, okay, don't do this kind of thing. Try to avoid these kinds of issues. Do this with the character and here's my notes on it. Go with it. Don't break don't break continuity, basically, is what he said. He's like, just go with it. This is my kill

Corey:

the Grand Inquisitor. Sure, but you have to bring him back.

Tanner:

Which he's gonna come back he has to come back in reverse not making it out alive. There's no fucking way.

Corey:

Now the internet's blowing up about the Grand Inquisitor being gone just stop calm down

Brooksie:

patients

Tanner:

if they don't get him back by the end of this series. Yeah, then you can freak the fuck

Corey:

out. Well, then it will be confirmed that there's a season two well, that's just

Tanner:

it the internet right now. There's rumors of a season two.

Brooksie:

I heard that there was the or at least it was greenlit.

Tanner:

Yeah. Okay. That being said if they had made it so that there's an ending that made this a good conclusion to this series. And now they're renewing it for season two. It's just a cash grab at that point. Yes. And I will be absolutely rip shit you to end you have to do an amazing job in order to make me like to make me want to come back. If you leave this in a spot where it is open for a season two. That's a different story.

Corey:

Season One has been been with layup if they do a season two, I would like to see him be involved a little bit more in Luke's life. Yeah, or Yeah, so yeah, full solo Obi Wan story.

Tanner:

And if they want to use that as like season two is even. Let's call it a four episode miniseries. And it's his journey on a really reestablishing his connection with the force and all that, sure. But don't sit there and be like, oh, we need to bring Vader back again. We need to bring the Inquisitors back again, because then it's just a cash grab and you're forcing it.

Brooksie:

Yeah, yeah, I agree. At that point is it's not really worth it.

Tanner:

No. And at that stage you might as well just do a two hour movie and be done with it if that's the way you want to do it.

Corey:

I think they have enough stuff enough properties and shows coming up that I don't know if I need an Obi Wan season to kind of like book a Boba Fett. I don't need a season to carry it forward with Mandalorian Yeah, sure

Tanner:

and then have to mer Morrison come in as boba every now and then.

Corey:

It's not like Obi Wan can't show up in other things.

Tanner:

Exactly. Well, guys, thanks for tuning in this week. As always, my name is Tanner. My name is Corey and my name is bruxy and you should stay hydrated. And will and we will see you in the next in the Nexus and the Nexus and the Nexus is stay hydrated. Shut the fuck ups and Gwinnett

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