Marvel Studios did it for the second time in a month... That's right they hit us with the mommy issues, this time they did it on the big screen with Dr. Strange in The Multiverse of Madness.
*Spoilers Ahead*
But, before we dive into what Scarlet Witch, Dr. Strange, Wong and the Illuminati are up to in this pulse pounding Sam Raimi flick. Tanner talks about a very important piece of early 2000's tech that is being shelved forever.
So sit back relax and prepare to explore The Multiverse
Marvel Studios did it for the second time in a month... That's right they hit us with the mommy issues, this time they did it on the big screen with Dr. Strange in The Multiverse of Madness.
*Spoilers Ahead*
But, before we dive into what Scarlet Witch, Dr. Strange, Wong and the Illuminati are up to in this pulse pounding Sam Raimi flick. Tanner talks about a very important piece of early 2000's tech that is being shelved forever.
So sit back relax and prepare to explore The Multiverse
What is up everybody and welcome to another episode of the Dorkside nexus. As usual, I'm your host Corey.
Tanner:And I'm Tanner. And before we get started, we're going to jump into multiverse of madness. After I tell you that Apple is ending the iPod after 20 years.
Corey:Really? Yeah. Why? I mean, not like I'm surprised but why now? 20 years.
Tanner:They just are not selling enough iPods apparently. Or there's no point in having it
Corey:anymore. It makes sense. Everything's on the phone now, regardless of what brand you get exactly.
Tanner:However, I'm really upset that after all these years I had I had an old like the first generation iPod Shuffle. I had an iPod Nano. I had an iPod 30 gig, you know, and after all these years, I wish I kept those the amount of things I got rid of when I was younger. So I didn't feel like a hoarder. I regret
Corey:I know what you mean. iPod Nanos iPod Shuffles, I've thrown them all into receptacles at Staples before like, I'm done. Dispose of the battery properly. And I wish I had the back. Lot episodes of Family Guy had downloaded on those Nanos, right.
Tanner:Oh my god, I forgot. I forgot when I had the 30 gig. And that was the first it was the iPod video. That was what it was. I remember the 30 Gig iPod was like the first one that came in all black because they were all the white ones for that. And then there was considered the video so you could upload videos and stuff onto that one at the time. Fuck, I forgot about that. Oh my god.
Corey:I remember when the Nano came out. And it was like the little version of the big one. How it had the small screen. It's still the circle wheel. I love that thing.
Tanner:Honestly, the circle wheel looking back was amazing. Like for what for how simple it was a that was awesome. It kind
Corey:of makes sense. Why have I troubles now in my older age trying to strain to look at that tiny thing. Yeah, the entire time checks out. That's out. Well, that's sad. That's the end of an era. Well,
Tanner:I remember being in middle school like one Christmas. Everybody got iPod touches. Like I remember just like, Oh, I got the iPod Touch window just came out before everyone had cell phones and whatnot. Jesus. Are we really that part of that generation Korean
Corey:makes me feel old? I had the iPod Touch to Gen. I was late to that. So it was just before they added the camera.
Tanner:I was still rocking my 30 my iPod video when when that came out. I don't think I had iPod touch anything until I got the iPhone 3g s when I finally got a cell phone
Corey:now are you an iPhone guy or a Samsung guy not to hijack the podcast but now I'm a Samsung guy. I don't blame you. I'm Samsung myself.
Tanner:I I don't get me wrong. I think on the creative side. Apple products are phenomenal for things like Logic Pro GarageBand, at the free level, all those different programs that are built into the Apple iOS, for computers are fantastic. In fact, I do wish I had Apple products for that reason. That being said, I'm so used to the Windows gestures and the Android gestures at this stage and the file sharing setup on it, even though it is slightly clunkier than the Apple setup. It I'm just so used to it. I could never go back.
Corey:Yeah, I had just the iPods and I never had an iPhone once so I'm so stuck in the Samsung ways.
Tanner:Speaking of things as a kid, like before we get into the heart of the show, we're gonna just talk about some of our things from a kid that we wish we never got rid of. I had a thing for you yo cards when I was a kid like that was like when I lived in Southern California as a kid we second grade you Gil was the hot thing like Pokemon was still big. But you Gil was the up and coming thing and I am so mad Beyblades to the original run of Beyblades some of these things that my I know my mother threw out on me as a kid because I wasn't playing with them anymore. When I look back with so much rage as to the things that I had like some of those original Beyblades are worth a lot of money.
Corey:I never did Beyblades or the Hugo's, I was a ditch man and Pokeyman guy say everything Pokeyman but not the
Tanner:game. Did you watch any of the YuGiOh TV series though? No. So I remember when they did like the battle city arc and they all got these like fancy quote unquote they're dual discs basically dueling things that went on your arm
Corey:things everybody I knew as a kid had one of those and I had
Tanner:one is this I had one and they go for like four or$500 now online. Yeah.
Corey:You ever stop and think about like all the cool things that you had as a kid that you I mean, that's basically the entire topic right now but like the valuable thing Things that you could turn around and be like, you know, we could fund this entire podcast if I had just kept my the Anakin Skywalker color changing layout lightsaber.
Tanner:Yeah. Oh my god, some of the things I get really mad looking back but at the same time I also hate being a hoarder. I like being neat and trimming things down. So I have this battle inside of me of like, I probably would have gotten rid of it anyway, but still just have that option now.
Corey:Yeah, I'm, I'm rather sentimental with my nerdy things. So if I had one of those, I would still have it to this day maybe? Or at least a piece of it. It probably would have been broken and shattered like my Millennium Falcon. Oh, poor Falcon. The poor poor Falcon. So I'd say as we mourn the loss of the Apple iPod, and a lot of our nerdy things it's a good time to transition into mom topic into mom into the main topic for today. Avatar to finally got a trailer.
Tanner:Oh my god, can you believe that? It came about 10 years too late.
Corey:Yeah, not gonna lie. No, that's quite a misdirect. We're actually our topic today is movie that just came out very recently. I really enjoyed it. I've seen it twice. I don't know about yourself but Cena one we're gonna dive into dr. strange and
Tanner:mom. Multiverse of madness but it's mom.
Corey:Essentially. When you when you really break it down. Dr. Strange. It's fighting a mom or a wannabe mom or a wanna be mom a wannabe Mom. Stop. Make stickers for that. Yeah. Dr. Strange in the multiverse of madness was madness.
Tanner:Sorry. I'm still thinking about making stickers out of that. But yes, it was madness. I'm making that one to be mom want to be mom that is going to be in a sticker pack, ladies and gentlemen, as I work on the sticker pack design,
Corey:and it's just her super sad and breaking down.
Tanner:Wild Ride of a movie, it was a wild ride.
Corey:It starts off just grabbing you and pulling you along. I feel like
Tanner:the whole pace of the movie is an act three, the entire movie is a third act, essentially, it's just go go go go go. And I think a lot of the controversy with people seeing it, I think that is a part of the problem is how fast paced it is. Ah,
Corey:see, we've said many times on this podcast, or at least I have that I think the shows exists so that they can tell the long for brunt of the story. So not the whole story. But they can tell certain aspects. So when you do get to these movies, it gets to be this nonstop action, thrill peace. There's a couple of moments that are kind of you know, LOL ish. But the way that the movie is directed, even in those moments, you're still sucked in. You're still like, this is a visual treat or auditorily there's always something going on to capture you.
Tanner:It was a spectacle. That's the best way to describe this movie is it's an entertaining, fast paced spectacle. And there's a lot of things about this movie that some people don't like. And on the internet, I've seen it but I'm of the mindset where I thoroughly enjoyed it again, I've only watched it once. But I had a great time with this movie. I loved some of the more quote unquote horror pieces in this some of those scenes and things like that, that were in the movie. Especially Wanda looking like she's possessed crawling out of things and whatnot.
Corey:Oh two, they went back to like the Age of Ultron. Creepy Juanda and I'm here for it.
Tanner:Oh my gosh, the whole movie is has very creepy moments in it.
Corey:In a world where people are starting to complain about Marvel fatigue or superhero fatigue in general, but Marvel films kind of sticking to one specific mold. This was a breath of fresh air. It was you know, I'm not a huge horror movie fan. I don't actively go seek out
Tanner:I am to make me uncomfortable by saying I don't do horror movies. I mean, I do horror TV shows because I like the pacing involved in a TV show that's were based like Haunting of Bly Manor Haunting of Hill House. Those are fantastic things to watch, and I never would have watched them on my own. My girlfriend Ari showed them to me, because I don't like horror, but I realized I don't like horror movies. Not so much the shows because you can pace it out in the big suspenseful moments. It builds better in by when it happens like there are some jumpscares that Jesus Christ I still hate jumpscares with the passion, but the shows are better than the movies for the horror genre in my personal opinion.
Corey:I haven't seen that many horror shows, but I can I can see where that would work because in a horror movie, there's only so much you can do with two hours. You can't lay a lot of mythology you can't like there are definitely more movies that have done it to great effect. But it's hard to recapture that with a show you get to like, end an episode and then sit on your uncomfortableness for like, I don't know if it's a weekly show or if it's one of those just binge it.
Tanner:So those two shows were released on Netflix that we got benched. Okay, so those get banned, but yeah, I don't know. him personally, I don't know if I could do a horror show. If it was week to week. I would I don't know if I could.
Corey:I wouldn't be able to stay that invested. I don't think
Tanner:yeah, I don't know if I could I we started watching Midnight Mass. We don't We didn't finish it. And we meant to because it's by the same writers and producers that did those Haunting of Bly mandar and Haunting of Hill House and those were very good. But yeah, going back to one division, the horror elements that they hinted at in the very early stages of production were there but still a Marvel movie, you can't go hog wild and make a true or as much as I probably would have enjoyed it. As much as I hate horror movies, I still probably would have enjoyed a horror MCU film.
Corey:It would have been there are definitely things they could have done to push a little bit and there's a lot of controversy of people saying that this should have been rated R Oh, stuff it
Tanner:Yeah, I think it did a good job. It barely pushed the limit, to be honest. Have a PG 13 movie. I've seen actual PG 13 Horror projects that scared me more. So I don't know.
Corey:That's probably I can see like parents being like, I took my child who just went and saw like a Spider Man movie and they were like, zombie dr. strange face and Wanda. Some of the stuff Wanda does in this movie, which isn't like grotesque and gruesome. Like just stuff just crazy. Yeah, it's stuff that sticks in your mind like
Tanner:crawling out of the gong like she's in the in that from the ring. She looked like she was in the ring crawling out of the TV
Corey:or turning? We're going super spoilery here. This is your last chance.
Tanner:Oh, I'm really quick before we this one's going to be not streamlined running through the movie. We want to talk about the theme he asked what we're doing this episode.
Corey:Yes. Turning Jim from the office and to string cheese and then exploding what's left of his brain? That was I mean, it's not gruesome, but that leaves an image in a kid's head.
Tanner:Listen to Black Bolt.
Corey:That one was that one one that blew his mind.
Tanner:For those of you who haven't seen it yet, sorry, you're getting completely spoiled. What
Corey:are you doing here?
Tanner:Yeah, this is the wrong episode. They Wow lost my train of thought Black Belt. That's right. What mouth when? Because we all know black belt this has to whisper at you and you're basically annihilated. I just love when she looks at him and says what mouth in his mouth is just gone. And he freaks out and then opens by opens like he's trying to say something and it just blows his goddamn brains out.
Corey:That was a good horror movie moment. That was a it was just a good moment of like, what mouth and it's and it's another thing I love about Wanda, we see this in the one division finale. She learns if you tell her what she's fighting, she can beat it. And I love that the whole only in a given space only the witch who cast her runes. She turned that right on Agatha, this and it and it was Reed Richards trying to appeal to her like as a
Tanner:parent or like a father because the whole premise of this is one is still broken from everything she's gone through and she's just trying to get her kids back that she created Westview just trying to get that wife back by finding them in the multiverse.
Corey:And that's exactly what she's trying to do. And she's not gonna let anybody any man woman or there are no children fighting but actually well no she America, so she's not gonna let anything get in her way. So yeah, she takes out like a whole nother universes version of The Avengers, I guess. And well, they weren't the Avengers like a multiverse for No, not not the Avengers, but they were actually the same. They were
Tanner:what everyone hinted about. For weeks, it was the Illuminati, it was the Illuminati of the of that dimension.
Corey:Which is pretty cool. If you don't know a lot about the Illuminati. It's a it's a team of superheroes.
Tanner:They're basically the leaders of set organizations if you looked at it, I mean, cuz Tony Stark is technically part of it in the comic world and he was the leader of the impromptu leader vendors at one point or another. So it was Captain America. Dr. Strange is the leader Hall, the sorcerer as the as the Sorcerer Supreme. You've got the leader of the X Men, you've
Corey:got Captain Marvel leader, the not the Star Force, the Nova Corps.
Tanner:Yep. So that's essentially it. That universe is essentially a secret organization, secret organization that leads everything
Corey:is very interesting. So yeah, just just to backtrack, because we don't want Do an entire play by play but there's a lot of stuff in the beginning of this movie. Yeah does come back in later we kind of just jumped right into the meat of it. There's a lot in this movie to love. So we start off we've got Dr. Strange and America Chavez they're running through a what was it the gap dimension? The Oh no.
Tanner:Oh no. Oh, you just watched it last night. I
Corey:just watched it yesterday. It's the gap dimension the gap point is the point where outside of space we said
Tanner:it earlier before we were recording I did.
Corey:It's the junction point. Yes, the junction something like that. The gap junction. There we go. Yes, we got there. Just like they did. So we got defenders strange, a different version of strange from the multiverse with a ponytail.
Tanner:A very different costume to vary. I liked it. I thought I was looking at someone that was supposed to be on a pirate ship to be honest.
Corey:I could see that it's got marvel in Phase four seems to really like their red and black costumes. I don't know what it is. I don't know what. So they're running and they're trying to get to the book of MacGuffin. Sorry the MacGuffin of a shanty sorry, the book of the shanty, which is supposed to be a book that can lead you to whatever you need to win whatever battle you have to
Tanner:have pure heart remember? Yes. The book is the book of the light basic. Yeah, it's the antithesis of the dark hall. Yes. Which
Corey:I like that I I've been playing a couple of mobile games and they reference the book of Ashanti so it's nice to actually see that kind of being pulled in MCU dealing with the MCU does best so they're trying to get that then they're fighting this big monster we later find out that said monster is being controlled by Wanda trying to get America strange with his white magic. Who do we do we know what white magic is that just in the service of the vigilante?
Tanner:I was gonna say something but it was going to end up being very controversial on the podcast even as a joke so I'm not gonna go there
Corey:No. Oh man I'm write that down for later because I'm very curious
Tanner:it's what Mitch McConnell wields.
Corey:Mitch McConnell
Tanner:Oh, I forgot you're not into politics.
Corey:Mitch McConnell Oh, I was gonna say Joe is he from? I haven't seen the Witcher so I don't know is it an axe or a super sword? I'm not sure
Tanner:ladies and gentlemen. No more politics for the rest of this episode.
Corey:I'm okay with that. So yeah, they go through strange says the line that he says to Peter Parker in Spider Man No way home in the grand calculus of the multiverse your sacrifice means infinitely more than your life and and we see that Dr. Strange is are kind of okay with sacrificing kids and people in every universe.
Tanner:Well. Well, wow, we're gonna have to come back to that. So and then Dr. Strange that we know wakes up from a dream he saw this all in a dream and he ends up just going, huh, okay, weird. Goes to Christine's wedding. Ouch. This poor man gave up everything in his life to be Sorcerer Supreme. And he's not even sorcerer supreme
Corey:still. No. Yeah, long got it on a technicality because he blipped for five years. And I like how they even referenced that like for Dr. Strange whose entire goal is to be the best at whatever he's doing. To now not have that and then to watch one get all these like to read the fancy books he gets to meet with all the Sanctum leaders in The Guardian.
Tanner:It's It's ancient custom to bow in the presence of sort of supreme Yeah,
Corey:I know that customs. It's I love the relationship because we see it a bit in the two Avengers movies. But since 2016 I mean, we get one in the end credits of you know, Shang chi that's it. So seeing them back together and seeing their dynamic of strange being like, blatantly jealous and like yeah, whatever. You're just one no sorcerer supreme your want me. Let me get you a tuna melt. So I definitely liked that. They got the wedding. You see the doctor who he's who he's showing up in the first movie. Doctor was a West
Tanner:air I don't. And he's like my cat or was it his cat or his dog? His
Corey:cats and his brother disappeared died during the flight. He was blipped away. Yeah. And he asked Dr. Strange like was that really the only play? Yeah, and you see that strange is dealing with guilt in this movie. He's even still
Tanner:a big theme throughout the entire it not even just for the guilt of that in other the other versions of strange that we meet as well. So yeah, that wedding and he has a moment with Christine at this wedding that she basically said we would never have worked out and it's because you always have to be the person holding the knife.
Corey:I love that line. I love that line a lot because it is it's the you know why? Watch the first movie that's strange needs to be the one saving whoever he can. However he can. And I love that her while now husband is a huge fan of Dr. Strange. Yeah, that was that's just fun.
Tanner:And then a multi dimensional being starts tearing up New York City.
Corey:There's a bit of there's a bit of a scuffle downtown has to fly out of the wedding. And of course he does it in dramatic style. Oh, yes.
Tanner:And then he him and Wong team up to fight this interdimensional being that Scott runes on it, and they meet America Chavez and learn that she can travel through the multiverse and things like that. From there, he goes to meet Wanda and talked about talk to Wanda because he saw the ruins on this monster and he's like, this is witchcraft. We should go talk to a witch.
Corey:And then he goes, I like when they meet America and they have a little back and forth. They're like, what do you know about she's like, What do you know about the multiverse? And he's like, Well, we just had a thing with Spider Man. And I liked how they referenced the thing with Spider Man and she's like, spider man who's that what is what does he do ones like oh, he crawls walls, shoots webs
Tanner:his bios, but I
Corey:like it's a joke. And then even strangers like I don't know. I hope not. I really hope not. It's just It's funny Marvel paying attention to itself.
Tanner:So yeah, he goes to Wanda for help goes to Wanda.
Corey:She's in an apple field, apple orchard
Tanner:and Cheez Its straight out of the out of the trailers. We've seen him talking to Wanda about the multiverse. And he's talking about America. Chavez and to her talking about this, just this kid, this kid, just this kid that they have karma Taj, and Wanda's like, okay. Okay. And so let's go get America. And he's like, I and she goes, You never mentioned her name, did you? And you find out that one does been the one after this kid. And it just takes off from there this movie. It's just not. It basically gave him 24 hours to hand over America.
Corey:It's the classic like I don't know it feels like a movie thing of like, Give me the child within 24 hours or I will descend upon you with all my might. And it was cool. It was cool because at this point you know you're rooting for Dr. Strange. It's a Doctor Strange movie. It's like you don't root for Iron Man and Captain America Civil War. i Well, okay, some people do. But in this one, you're kinda like okay, I don't know what Wanda has done. She's definitely sent monsters after a kid so that's not great, but I want her to have a happy family still,
Tanner:which is the whole point of this she's been trying to find a way to get the power to travel to the multiverse so she can have her children that's the whole point she is so far broken still from everything she's gone through
Corey:she's broken I mean, we see in one division just how deep it goes her mother and father blown up by Stark Tech her brother killed by Stark tech you know when you stop and think about it, she had
Tanner:to for and she brings it up she had to kill vision only to watch him be brought back to life to be killed again.
Corey:And that was her like direct qualm with strange like want to talk to me about you know, about making choices and decisions. You're the guy who gave him the stone. It's all happened because he you and this one did not really 100% taking accountability for actions but we find out that the dark hold yes is a huge, huge part of that. Yeah, she
Tanner:has the dark hold in her possession has been completely corrupted by it. She's that scene in the apple orchard. She instantly tears it down and you see that it's just a field of decay and death basically,
Corey:I love that because when strange walks up to her at the beginning of that scene, and he grabs one of the one of the ones off the tree is like it smells so and she goes sweet. And he's like real because she's thinking she's in this she's thinking like wow oh my god it's you know, this smells great. He realizes after the fact like it's all been fake. It's all she is in charge of reality in her own. She says the hex was easy the lying was the hard part.
Tanner:I think what happens next when they basically have the fight at karma Taj Wild Wild just want a roll and up with all the sword facing down all the sorcerers and they're like protecting using spells to protect it. She's just blasting it Oh, this isn't going to work. And then you could see her just scanning the crowd looking for a weak link in some in somebody's mind and she just like astral projects herself up behind them. And is so creepy. It like this whole sequence is creepy, especially when strange puts her in the mirror dimension. She tries breaking through it and she's able to break through it using the reflection In the real world
Corey:that was so cool. It's a visual trip.
Tanner:It's a visual trip and you know,
Corey:and they're trapped in the room. And you see she's like she's trapped in the in the mirrors and she reaches through and she it's water. Yeah. And then she starts pulling people down when they're hiding inside whatever room that is. Yeah, Steve studied that something and they're like cover all the reflections cover all the reflections.
Tanner:It's wild. And then she she basically has America at one point in America like activates her power which sends us through the multiverse with Dr. Strange and her and we get to one dimension we get to another dimension that after a long sequence of traveling through different dimensions and turning it to paint and all that stuff she they end up in this alternate dimension and they're trying to find this the Steven strange and that dimension and find out he's dead and that Mordo is actually the sorcerer supreme in this dimension.
Corey:Bordeaux, the sorcerer supreme and they do the The Empire Strikes Back when Han lands at Cloud City, and it's just like, why you strange said that you'd be coming here tell me about your universe like hey buddy, come here.
Tanner:And then Mordo drugs, essentially and takes them captive to high tech facility that we find out is the lair of the Illuminati Illuminati and this is just we're again we're rehashing a little too much. And but you know, this is the scene we were talking about earlier where Steven confront is confronted by the Illuminati and Wanda is using the power of the Dark Hole to take control of herself in this other dimension in this other multi in this other universe by God to to track them down
Corey:yes called Dream walking a
Tanner:power stowed upon the dark hall and she will levels the Illuminati
Corey:those sequences were pretty cool by the way when she when she's switching into the different universes the music was cool.
Tanner:Oh, yeah. I have to say something. I have to say something and it's gonna be highly controversial. And I have to say, I was so happy to see Captain Carter get slice and
Corey:no not beg me Carter. No. i She got Darth Maul man.
Tanner:She did get Darth Maul. I am sorry. I prefer Peggy Carter as the badass SHIELD agent that didn't need super soldiers. Yeah,
Corey:I can understand that point. However, I disagree because I think Haley Atwal is just absolutely amazing. She's the character of Peggy Carter, I think works the way that she was portrayed in the actual mainline universe. Yes, I think that is the best version. However, if you're going to tell alternate stories about a Captain America who's not actually even a Captain America, I think Peggy's cool. I think it shows that she she's like a way more brutal hero than Captain America.
Tanner:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's brutal for the sake of being is what it is for me. I never really could
Corey:be in a badass woman in the 1940s But yes,
Tanner:but she was more I'm sorry. She was more badass without super soldier powers. I'm sorry. She was
Corey:she was so much cooler and her saying that I can do this all day.
Tanner:Oh too. On the nose, too on the nose. I can see it
Corey:as an homage to her Steve and supposedly this is not the same Peggy Carter from the what if it's a different but similar versions?
Tanner:It just like I understand being captain marvel in this universe understood it may fit it was very much that made sense. I was just like you on the nose is what I felt with pay Carter
Corey:I can see it my thought of it is it's a way of having Wanda do what she does to all these heroes who are just close enough to the ones that we know and love. But it's not like she's actually like exploding if they called in Chris Evans to play a different version of Captain America and then blew him up or cut him in half you know the audience would be screaming and burning down
Tanner:the you know what would actually have been hilarious you get Chris Hemsworth the play The Captain America in that just just to throw everything off
Corey:because we know what's going on but the super casual audience like my mom would be like wait a minute
Tanner:what why is Thor have kept field why
Corey:is it still pretty confusing but they did it in a way that kind of makes sense like characters who have been specifically that character? Like I don't know jack about the Inhumans show but even I recognize blackguard Baltica
Tanner:Yes, I got I recognized him right away as well but
Corey:all regardless if you like Captain Carter or nine
Tanner:was that was the amazing scene from you in meeting the Illuminati you get Patrick Stewart as Professor Xavier again. You get Mordo as the sorcerer's who present You got my absolute favorite moment. jimothy helper as Mr. Fantastic Reed Richards and by the way, I didn't like that. I didn't like that fantastic forecast.
Corey:smartest man in the multiverse. Reed Richards I liked it. I liked it. I thought it was a nice like prototype. We've seen different versions.
Tanner:I'm not gonna lie for the Fantastic Four. I like the original costume from the original movie. I get that I like I didn't like the the black. Like how much black was on the blue and early? Yeah,
Corey:that felt very like modern comics. To me.
Tanner:It felt very too much like they're trying to make a combat suit, if that makes sense.
Corey:In a sense, I imagine that if they were a team, they would want their suits to be created to to work with their abilities, in a sense, so they would want kind of a combat suit. Sure, sure. I see what you're saying.
Tanner:I like it was just my little critique on Mr. Fantastic.
Corey:So you look very tall. And I liked the beard. And I liked how they chose to have him be a father. Because that's like, that's
Tanner:his son. His son literally makes other dimensions in his just for fun.
Corey:Does it his son, Reed Richards, someone in his ancestry that descends from
Tanner:I think it's like his great cat. I think it's like his either his grand son or his great grandson or something is killing someone
Corey:in the future. So now he's cannon. Yeah. To the MCU. There's a lot. There's a lot here, one universe of the MCU.
Tanner:I mean, go Ah, yeah, I know. There's a lot here basically. Oh, and we see Charles get his neck snapped by Wanda in his mind that whole sequence
Corey:First off, hang on. We're not given. Sir Patrick Stewart enough.
Tanner:Oh, he was phenomenal. Wow. Wow.
Corey:I mean, I know he's, he's a little bit older, you know, so he can't do 100% of like everything they probably wanted him to do. But when he just enters that door in the white void, sorry, too far. He's in the floating chair from the 80s cartoon and comics man, and they play the Denon nn and when he enters, so I just so good man, but when he kills everybody in that scene, I don't want to spoil it too much. But on Amazon Prime, there's a show called invincible based off a comic book. Highly recommend you watch it because we've gotten around to it yet, but I've heard good things about it. Wanda pulls in Omni man that's all I'll say. Okay.
Tanner:I mean, but snaps his neck when he's trying to pull out this universe is Wanda from the recesses of their mind.
Corey:Yes, he tells her like you're being controlled by Wanda from a different universe. Let me help you maybe I can clip pull you out of the rubble and just like with Kamar Taj we see a cloud of smoke but it's fully red fully scars
Tanner:Yeah, and she just comes out of nowhere looking demonic Oh my Yeah, she looked straight up like a demon just came out and just like that goes and snap his neck in in their mind and snap his neck in
Corey:the real world. Simultaneous Lee Yeah, cuz she's in charge of reality. Yep. Oh,
Tanner:well, and then you know
Corey:Steve and healing Charles Xavier Marvel, please.
Tanner:I mean, Steven has finally eventually escaped this nonsense and travels with again with America to another dimension where he finds himself again and out Christine's there too. Christine goes with them Christine goes
Corey:with him. Yes, we find the Christine from his universe. They get a little back and forth.
Tanner:We glazed over the fact that they fat they another crazy chase scene with Wanda they get to the book of Ashanti using his like junction from that universe to get to it and that it doesn't work it doesn't pan out.
Corey:Yes the book ends up at least the page they were looking for and stuff getting destroyed. Yep.
Tanner:Which by the way, we also forgot that Dr. Strange is dead in this universe and he was killed by blackball and the Illuminati
Corey:and they lied to everyone and said that he died killing phantom
Tanner:they because he used the dark hold and got corrupted by it and admitted to it and was an accepted the punishment of death because he was corrupted
Corey:which took me a minute to understand this series of events because Thanos attacks this is a multiverse that has different heroes it's got mutants it's got Inhumans it's got Nova core apparently are like close knit so Thanos attacks this Dr Strange must not have had the Time Stone now Thanos already had it yeah soon so he couldn't do the like the looking through all the different timelines he had the only option
Tanner:was to use a dark hole to dream walk through other universe.
Corey:Yes. And I love that you can see when they when they do the trial trial of Dr. Strange, like that's like a comic cover.
Tanner:It wasn't even a trial. They literally he just he's admitted to it and it's after they defeated Thanos It was basically like it's time your sentence is carried out now. Exactly. And blackbolt just disintegrates them.
Corey:And I love how the word that he says he says I'm sorry. And that's what the echo chamber that's what ends up eroding him. So you can see to the side you can see Thanos impaled by his own sword. Yeah. Oh, it was that
Tanner:was cool. Any here going back moving forward going back to where we were but also part of the future. Yes, exactly. Well, we have a DeLorean in the studio today. He they traveled to another dimension that had an incursion actually happen.
Corey:Yes. And we do find out that that incursion was this dark, the Doctor Strange of this universe, trying to find a world where he was with Christine.
Tanner:Yes. Very much like the one F.
Corey:Which Yes, yep. Yeah, very much. This scenario is Christine dies. He's trying to find emergency.
Tanner:They've mentioned incursions earlier in the movie and you see what it does to the universe. It's literally pulling the universe apart.
Corey:They're separate. Like you can see cars from one universe, but it's just the tail lights moving through and it's just imploding in upon itself. It's chaos.
Tanner:And this Doctor Strange like we said, it got completely corrupted by the dark hole, and leads to a fight that I loved. Oh, Korea's gotta face
Corey:what I love about this is that the Doctor Strange that he's fighting, the one that uses the dark hold is the Doctor Strange that we meet at the beginning of not at the beginning of this movie, but the strange before America shows up? Because he even says Christine asked me am I happy? I lied. I came back here and then study the dark cold whereas he would have done as The Doctor Strange we follow for this whole movie would have done that had America not shown up. Yes. I love that.
Tanner:I didn't even think about that until you said that just now. The they have it. And then they end up having a badass fight. I'm sorry. Um, music battle. They literally felt like Fantasia they immediately what I thought of yep, I felt like I was watching Fantasia pulling the music notes off the page and casting spells and using the notes and whatnot and hitting
Corey:each other. And he does like his one move, hitting the harp and the one note, the one note Yeah, changes the fight.
Tanner:It was a great fight. And the whole point of it was so that our Doctor Strange could get the dark hole to dream walk back to our universe. Yeah, fight Wanda, and how he does it is the body of defenders strange. Yes. In our universe, and he takes control of the Zamp the dead body.
Corey:I love that. Doesn't there have to be a doctor strange in the university you want to daydream to? Who said it has to be alive? Yeah. Oh, that's Sam Raimi right there. That's the horror roots coming straight to
Tanner:it. Ha, the zombify I love how he's like, I need you to protect me. She's like, from what spirits of the damned because he's breaking all the magical laws by taking possession of another body.
Corey:I don't know how he expected her to fight them. I know she did. It worked out. But like there's no way she
Tanner:also really did happen. She really didn't. She fought them. But she had no chance of succeeding. She
Corey:fought them with magic. And I like how this Christine is actually kind of involved with the magic. She made the handcuffs. Yeah, that stopped him from using magic using the sands of whatever the sands of something. Yeah. Where he falls asleep basically magic kryptonite. Yes. Even glowing green. And America was she's in the cell, she's able to use her powers. So I'm assuming that's not magic. Nobody's ever seen.
Tanner:But I she was introduced in the comics in 2012. And I haven't really so I don't really know. Any of America. Chavez real history. So I'm going to come out and say that, I say, but yeah, so he takes possession of his of the dead doctors of the defender strange and the demons do not like that. And now yeah, they start basically trying to drag him down.
Corey:Because he's, he's possessing a dead body. Yep. If you were possessing a normal body, that'd be fine. But because it said it's because the cease that's the book of the damned the soul of that strange as damned I guess I'm not sure
Tanner:any here the soul, the souls of the damned Come, come for him. And he ends up kicking their ass into submission to work with him. Yeah,
Corey:Christine's like they're deep. They're, you know, their spirits use them. And that snaps him right out of
Tanner:it. And he basically turns them into his cloak of levitation,
Corey:which was cool as how God they're all grabbing him and pulling them in. And
Tanner:yeah, then he's now got a cloak of just damned spirits. And he, it's just so cool. And then you get the scene from the trailer, using all the dead arms and whatnot. Ah, the fight scene between Wanda was kind of not great if you want my opinion, like that final fight scene, but it was more of the realization that he needs to use America to win this fight.
Corey:Yes, not so much even use her but let her take control of her power literally. And do it he's the stranger is always the one who has to do it himself and they really get to the point of listen, I can only teach this person I can only show this person so much. It's up to them. They have the power not me. And I like to think that that's a combination of yes him hanging out with America in this movie. But Peter Parker, he doesn't remember Peter Parker
Tanner:but the whole Spider Man
Corey:Exactly. There's that whole event taught him like she's Peter was able to save one of the villains most of the villains actually. Yeah. And I think that was just a small thing that helped strange come to the realization of like, to kill a kid to save to kid. It doesn't make sense.
Tanner:After Yeah, so basically, he uses has America use her powers to punch a hole through into the into another universe, and front of wanders children. And are Wanda as the Scarlet Witch is terrifying to these kids. And they're completely afraid of her.
Corey:And she throws their version of Wanda like a way. And oh, no, I told her my mom. She's like, I'm your mom. And they're like, get away from us. Good God and those kids, man. annoy me, but I like they're good. I like it.
Tanner:The only thing that stopped her was seeing the children that she always had love for terrified,
Corey:terrified, which she became. I mean Marvel and their parents. Yeah.
Tanner:Mommy issues. Yeah, yeah, that's mommy issues. That's what we've got with these last two products. But there's a really great scene at the end where between strange and that version of Christine, where he's like, I've loved you in every universe. Oh,
Corey:and she would have come with him, but it would have caused an incursion, or in both of their universes apart. Yes. That was a great one. One of the two universes.
Tanner:We see what after that we kind of see one to basically sacrifice herself by destroying this temple that she was channeling all the Dark Hole energy through. I am on the mindset. She is not dead. We have not seen the last of Wanda, she's not dead. There's no body. Every time someone has died in the MCU and not come back. We've seen a body. I think you're thinking of Star Wars, excuse me. We didn't see buches body and he was brought back
Corey:intentionally. They're not going to show an entire mountain squishing the crap out of this woman. I think that the wanderer that we have been traveling with I'm not going to say that her. It sounds bad that the end of her arc should be her just killing herself because she has been is feeling great and
Tanner:alive and alive. And yes, yes.
Corey:Yes. But she's been through so much and she's caused so much harm. I feel like the wanderer that we've dealt with in this story, I think her time has ended now the one who she was dream walking into and now we never saw her using magic at any point before this.
Tanner:Now we did I think more but we saw her after Wanda left her body to get out of the junction.
Corey:Yeah, no, she she does once she's been exposed to this Wanda and her mind is being connected. So I think we're gonna get the Wanda from what was it Earth 838 I think we tried to talk figure it out earlier.
Tanner:It's 838 or 835 Some
Corey:Yeah, I think the Wanda that was being dream walked into is the one that we're going to follow from from this point forward. And we'll see I'm not gonna speculate that far. The multiverse is going to come together and I think we're gonna get a whole bunch of different stories and different different characters from different worlds. And they're going to end up getting put together to like one solid MCU by the end of this
Tanner:we'll see it's I can't I can't make any predictions because it looks like she gets squished oh and at the end we see dr. strange kind of just like walking around and all of a sudden the third eye that was on the Dr. Strange that was corrupted by the dark hole appears on top of Dr. Strange its forehead from our world. And that's where the movie ends.
Corey:And it sucks because when we leave strange just before the eye shows up, he's just fixed his watch. He's come to the point of closure with Christine you know he's ready to move on. I can actually see him becoming the sorcerer supreme now.
Tanner:I think he is the sorcerer supreme I think he is Wong has the title but Wong knows that's strange is the sorcerer supreme
Corey:and he's just kind of gloating for right now like you're going to get it because even
Tanner:in that even when Wong sees strange possess defender strange I'm not even
Corey:going to ask you but he just cheers stress. Can we talk about let's go back for a moment because we haven't brushed on the Great One moments in this yet.
Tanner:One was fun. Well, it's always fun. He's always by Wanda.
Corey:He. He reveals to her that the pages of the dark hold were actually like, transcribed over from The writing's on the walls in wonder Gore, which is where they ended up going. I like how when they portal there, she even says like you couldn't get us any closer. And he's like, we're not supposed to be here.
Tanner:My magic will not take us there. Exactly.
Corey:And they have their little fight and when he gets thrown out of the mountain, and he tries to like team this little grapple thing. I thought we were going to lose one. But as you say, we don't see them die. So he comes back. He must have a wicked backache after that.
Tanner:Oh my. Oh, God, I don't even want to know. My back hurts thinking about it. The Yeah, no, I mean, Wong was fantastic in this movie. Great. Overall, I loved it. I did. I did. It wasn't for a lot of people. I think they were expecting another civil war Infinity War esque, like grand like as many characters as we can stuff into it. But I'm on the mindset. If we keep doing that, it's gonna lose its luster. It is it's not going to be make for a great film. And I think a lot of people were just disappointed there weren't more cameos a lot of people are like, this is how Deadpool comes in. Oh, are we gonna get Tom Cruise as Tony Stark? I'm like, Just stop.
Corey:Don't get me wrong. I love cameos. But for the sake of this movie, every cameo they put in would have had to die. So I'm glad they didn't. Exactly. You know,
Tanner:we didn't you know we didn't talk about yet. Well, the mid credit scene, the mid
Corey:credit scene, where where? Where there's a Sharlee Charlize Theron entering the MCU and apparently that is
Tanner:Clete. Cleo, clearly, clearly, clearly, clearly, clearly. Yeah, spelt clear, but clearly, okay. She is the sorcerer supreme of the Dark Dimension and a descendant of Dormammu. Yes, her is
Corey:her his niece or something? Yeah, somewhere along the line that there's that crossover. And in the comics, I hear a potential love interest for
Tanner:sin or a strange? Yes. Yes. And he's like, yeah, she's like, Yeah, there's an incursion happening. You come with me and you see you're basically rip
Corey:of ripping a portal to the dark domain. Yeah. And strangers
Tanner:just like doesn't even say a word it just like okay, and just hops in Hops
Corey:is third eye on like, Alright, let's do it. Which means between the, the the final scene and this scene, he's kind of gotten a bit of a hold on the third eye thing,
Tanner:which in this movie, they hint that it's something dark and that it's comes from the corruption of the Dark Hole. But in the comics, it's actually that is the Eye of Agamotto whereas the eye of Agha Mota that were introduced to in the first Doctor Strange movie is actually the neck the amulet of Arkham Akimoto so I think they're toying with that idea and they're probably going to say no, that's truly the eye of AGA moto that third eye that it you guys just interpreted this as the eye of the amulet of Agra moto. Something along those lines
Corey:I like how they did actually show the ambulant the AI being used at one point because a lot of people when the first Spider Man No Way Home trailer came out people were like, Why is Dr Strange wearing Nakamoto if he doesn't have the time and because it's a different it's it's strong enough to house the Time Stone without you know, causing trouble. But it's not just a housing for the Time Stone it itself is an actual relic of magic.
Tanner:Yes. Lots of great stuff in this movie, though. I mean, go watch it. We spoil that for you if you haven't seen it yet, so you just might as well watch it or wait till it's on streaming your your call.
Corey:I really enjoyed it. I would recommend watch it. It's
Tanner:I mean, it's not what no way home was or no way home was like let's just see if we can put all the spider man in here.
Corey:I didn't think it was going to be I didn't need you can't you can't top Spider Man Man that's 20 years worth of cinema coming together into one
Tanner:Listen, we're eventually going to do a episode of what our favorite Marvel heroes are to go along with it. Star Wars one we did a while ago are superheroes in general. Dr. Strange is always in my top five. I've always Yeah, he's always in my top five. I just liked that element. More than I like a lot of other superheroes.
Corey:I'm glad one of your favorite characters is starting to really be brought into the public eye and into the forefront of strangers looking like he's going to be the leader. I
Tanner:always when I go to the comic book shop, I always look for Dr. Strange comics, like it's something I'm always looking for. Because I just think it's so interesting. It's a different perspective of, you know, a hero.
Corey:It's so fantastical is always some kind of magical something that can get you out of that situation or
Tanner:there was that run from like 2016 or whatever 2017 Or I can't remember where basically there was a II peep there were people from another dimension running around to all the all the different dimensions and just making it some magic didn't exist in them anymore. I had heard Yeah, that one was very cool. That was very
Corey:cool did not affect Wanda a lot.
Tanner:I think it affected everybody. Well, everybody everybody got affected by that and Dr. Strange ended up going through that whole arc trying to you know, bring collect all the magical items and magic was slow Wood was slowly returning throughout that arc. It was cool. It was very cool. But yeah, I love Dr. Strange and this movie was phenomenal for me. I really enjoyed it. I mean, there were a couple times there's one jumpscare in it that got me one. And that's at the temple where the big
Corey:dudes chose the one the two and then there's one behind Wong as ah,
Tanner:that one. Yeah, yeah, that one got me. But other than that the jumpscares in this movie didn't get me I understand why some people are like, Oh, it was scary. I'm like, Well, maybe it's not for your kids. Maybe this is for the older nerds. Scary concepts. Everything. I mean, what Marvel film hasn't been PG 13 Exact. I think they've all been about that. And there's nothing should be rated R Hmm. Deadpool will be rated on Yeah, this is perfect example of a rated R movie. I just am Logan
Corey:and Logan, who I almost thought we would get for a second if we were getting Professor X but that was just too that was too much. That was my expectations running running wild again.
Tanner:But multiverse of madness. It's in theaters now. Guys go check it out.
Corey:I thought it was pretty good. in it. There was a trailer for Thor love and thunder. We already saw that trailer. Yeah, but it was still fun to see it on the big screen. We
Tanner:broke that down two weeks ago. Go ahead and watch go ahead and find that episode if you'd like
Corey:and a Buzz Lightyear trailer. How you feeling about that?
Tanner:I thought it was Chris Pratt. Not Chris Evans doing it. I don't know why I how I got that. All I
Corey:can hear is cap when he talks. Yeah, literally. But it looked good. I think it looks interesting.
Tanner:It actually did look good. Because we have to remember Buzz Lightyear from Toy stories is based off of a TV character. So everyone who's like it's not the right voice. It's like yeah, no, the toys voice is different than the voice and yeah, so Did you
Corey:ever watch the animated show Buzz Lightyear of Star Command I did. When they showed the cat. I was like cool cat. It's not XR. The robot that he gets the follows him around. I love that robot when I was a kid. I really, really enjoyed that. And did you get when you saw it? Did you see a preview for Maverick Top Gun Maverick?
Tanner:Are you I never watched the original Top Gun. Really never.
Corey:I was never a huge fan of Top Gun. I've seen it a couple of times. This actually had me kinda interested. I might
Tanner:have to go watch Top Gun to watch this.
Corey:Maybe if I lose some more money. I mean, the guy's got to be broke about now. He's putting all this money into Scientology so but I'm sure we touch political politics at the beginning of the episode and religion at the end.
Tanner:It's called it's called. Oh, ask Joe Rogan it's a call to stand up bit on it.
Corey:And there's a man I've been trying to find concretize so whatever, whatever you believe in, leaving it wholeheartedly. Love yourself. Stay hydrated. For the love of goodness.
Tanner:Till next time guys. I'm Cory.
Corey:And I'm 10 This man is an impostor.
Tanner:Stay hydrated stay hydrated.
Corey:I didn't know I never ended